[FM] Henry Stickmin Vig10er - Game Thread - Government (Town) Wins! (3/10)

[Aelin]

Orrrrrrr
I’m confident in my read and I’m trying my best to keep my towncore intact

[Arctic]

as a wolf it would be suicidal to 180 this no matter how beneficial it might be

@Aelin

What reason do I have to defend you if I’m a wolf? And, I don’t care.

that’s literally what i’m talking about right now
you pushed the narrative of me and marl v/v in a subtle way for towncred
now you still push me as town to get even more cred if i flip

[min]

?? I was explaining why wolf u would do it

[Aelin]

I am now out of chem, give me a second to get on my laptop.

[illumin8]

@min

No

I said I scumread him as well as me explicit saying I didn’t think there was town in arctic/marl

If you want to convince me otherwise please do

@min

Also

Eod makes arctic look worse imo

@min

not only did a cfd on him go to Jane but I was pushing marl thinking he was more likely scum out of the two

And marl flipped town

If you think I’m confbiased that’s fine but it looks awful and I will push due to it

Ah I see

The CFD is what makes you believe Arctic is a wolf

I, personally, believe the CFD was village-led. Shurian/Derps/Me
For this reason, I don’t think the CFD makes Arctic a wolf, as I saw no indication of a packmate trying desperately to save him or redirect the vigilante shot.
Along with this, Arctic remained on Marluxion during the CFD itself, and stated that he did not feel anything alignment-wise in terms of Jane. He seemed rather keen on flipping Marl, with quotes such as:

@Arctic

what exactly do you want to do about this

if this day doesn’t end in a me/marl exe, how likely do you think you are going to be able to stop marl pushing me, and how can you guarantee that my read on him will change?

In fact… I think this is less likely to make Arctic a wolf?

I know I am town. Derps flipped green. I townread Shurian (you do too).
Unless the team Arctic is on is exactly Arctic/Shurian, the CFD was not wolf motivated in my opinion.

[Aelin]

did nobody read my SoD post

[Aelin]

Anyway, I’m on my laptop now.

[Aelin]

I think my EoD becomes substantially… not as bad when you recognize the time gap between my posts. I can’t say it’s good with Jane’s flip, but I feel like the context is very important there.

[illumin8]

@illumin8

Unless the team Arctic is on is exactly Arctic/Shurian, the CFD was not wolf motivated in my opinion.

I would actually like to re-phrase this.
If wagons were V/V/V, a wolf-Shurian has nothing to lose by altering the state of the wagons and potentially forcing today to be ‘Resolve the Counterwagon,’ especially since Shurian was representing a strong village-read on Marluxion.

Arctic is likely only a wolf with Shurian, but I think Shurian can still be a wolf otherwise, and is not cleared by VCA.

[Arctic]

at first illumin was arguing against min’s belief that me and marl should be resolved today

@illumin8

@min

Why are you being a third wolf

this post sucks

THIS post sucks!!

@illumin8

I apologize for trying to analyze the situation outside of the only two people people seem keen on focusing on!

Playing FM is more than analyzing two worlds!

@illumin8

@min

You’re saying I’m setting up for a chain ml when I’m not LOL

implying only wolves have t/w reads is cringe

I’m implying something entirely different. I never said only wolves have t/w reads, and you seem to be misinterpreting me. I think your very sudden shift in behavior… when Arctic mentioned something regarding the possibility for Appelsiini and Marluxion to be W/W is odd, to say the least. And you’re now being much more aggressive than you’ve acted in the rest of the game.

It feels very very much like a wolf setting the vigilante up, or setting up chain wagons, and I don’t want to allow that to happen, as I think Marluxion is a villager!

@illumin8

You have very little basis to believe there is a wolf between them from what I’ve seen. I don’t want to set the vigilante to shoot you, as I don’t know what Arctic will flip. All I know is I heavily TR Marluxion, and I don’t like the way you’re going about this.

I find it important to point these things out as I see them. If you are a villager and I’m frustrating you, I truly apologize.

Perhaps let’s go about this in a different way, as we both seem to be getting rather… energetic. Can you explain what made you switch mindsets?

@illumin8

Okay. I will re-read.

then after here it suddenly changed and i still don’t feel like the progression felt natural, despite what they said about re-reading because the next post only came 2 minutes later:

@illumin8

Same here! I apologize.
I admit I am very overwhelmed by how things sped up recently.

@illumin8

I would like to mention my agreement that resolving Marluxion if ArcticXI is green is likely the correct play, as I am re-reading, and I apologize to min for my earlier behavior. I heavily villageread Marluxion, but having clarity is important.

@illumin8

Potentially W/W with Arctic, but I think their interactions lately look more like min is a villager trying to sort the situation.

then they went to TRing min
like… did they suddenly realize min was vig and didn’t want to get shot?
wtf happened here

[illumin8]

@Aelin

I think my EoD becomes substantially… not as bad when you recognize the time gap between my posts. I can’t say it’s good with Jane’s flip, but I feel like the context is very important there.

It’s still quite bad, but I admittedly have a soft spot for health issues and can’t quite fault you for suffering from a migraine.

[Arctic]

@illumin8

I questioned Light earlier about his EoD and this is the response I got. It seems this might be the extent of it when it comes to explanation, but I agree with you here; Light did not have a good EoD.

On another note: May I ask for a readslist? I would like to see where you are at in terms of reads!

i entirely missed this post
give me a second

[illumin8]

@illumin8

I didn’t feel a need to explain my turnaround in the thread other than to apologize to min, as I realized I was being quite unfair towards them and I was becoming very emotionally tunneled. It was a heat-of-the-moment read that dissipated.

@Arctic

Also, I believed SirDerps to be the vigilante.

[illumin8]

@illumin8

…I am admittedly scared to quickwagon someone outside of them, as there is a portion of the game who is not here at all, and we could hit the vigilante.

@illumin8

If somebody can convince me that we are not risking the vigilante flipping here, I am more than willing to vote Jane!

I realize I should probably stop on this subject, as it is not very smart of me, but I cannot help but be scared of this. Apologies.

@illumin8

@SirDerpsAlot

theirs also the fact that iv claimed vig already lol

Oh did you? I missed this.

Ah. Okay.
Well, /vote Jane @EliThePsycho @Intensify

This is ultimately WIFOM, but I did not believe min to be the vigilante!

[Arctic]

it seemed like a little more than a heat of the moment read to me
and it seemed genuine
the problem is what came after

[illumin8]

This is where I state that ‘unprompted 180s tend to come from villagers,’ however, that is coming from the person who had said turnaround.

I do not think my progression on min was wolfy, as it was my true thought-process.
I was quite overwhelmed with the speed of posting, and found myself emotionally tunneled! When I noticed this, I took a step back, and realized that min’s attitude was indeed villagery. It’s really quite that simple.

[Arctic]

how was it villagery

[illumin8]

I am a villager.

[Arctic]

we’re lucky that min is the vig because if they weren’t i would be deathtunnelling them today because they have been incredibly wolfy

[Arctic]

no, how was min’s attitude villagery