anyway, I need a break from FM
I have not ignored or discredited your reads because they are bad. I have explained the thought process behind why I believe your reads to be bad, and why I believe your reasonings to be wolfy. Your reads being bad is not the causation of me shutting them down or disagreeing, but merely correlation.
I am focusing back to the same points because they are good points. I cannot confirm or deny whether or not you had a migraine at EoD, and have admitted that I am sympathetic towards health struggles, but I still fail to see how that makes your EoD much better in the grand scheme of things.
I am annoyed that nobody brought up dead villager reads, not that nobody is sheeping them. It feels like we have started almost an entirely new game today, and the players who were once here are no longer a part of discussion. Iām not used to this at all, and I donāt believe this is how Forum Mafia should be played! I didnāt ignore Janeās read on you. I stated that I wish Jane had more time in the thread so I could see how their reads developed. Janeās read on you was early and solely meta-based, relying on your first posts, not the rest of the game. Even YOU disagreed with Jane on this meta analysis and stated that the game they produced was one of your worst wolfgames and thus not a correct comparison.
For the last part of this paragraph, you are throwing any context out the window that would otherwise show why I believe you to be a wolf. I do not fully think Arctic is a wolf, currently, and you have taken their spot as lowest in my PoE. Reads change. My read did not change on you based on Janeās flip.
Actually this is false, as I believe there is a chance wagons were V/V/V, and your vote and EoD was quite awful.
What I was meaning here is that I do not scumread you simply because Jane is dead.
Can you please either vote by EoD (preferably close to the deadline, so we donāt have an early hammer) or be here at the end of the phase?
There are two teams in my mind, currently.
Appelsiini/Light and Shurian/Arctic
I am currently heavily leaning the former. If I die while Iām at work, this is my legacy. I would, however, prefer to not die while at work xD
Be back shortly.
Woo, Iām back. Itās 7 PM already
I guess I didnāt make it clear enough; thatās not a case. Those are the reasons why Iām hesitant to clear any of you. If weāre going to list all the towny things peopleāve done, I still think youāre by far in a better position out of the list as I said already, so I think youāre overreacting there by thinking people will immediately CFD to you
The PoE thing might be a playstyle difference, sure ā I would like to narrow it down to those I believe have the most wolf equity, and thatās why I want to be able to clear at least one of you. I just dislike the fact that you have a wider PoE than whatās needed, and more importantly, itās not based on whether or not you find people scummy, but how little you townread them. I donāt think Iām wrong in saying that the only exception to this is Light, who youāve been finding scummy since the start of the day
I liked you a lot during D1, you were there along with Min who were good enough to pass even though there was theoretically a chance for you to be scum. You made some good points, and had a good tone, and that was enough then. Thatās the kind of situation you should be use that kind of logic in. But this is a day where we have a 4-person PoE at max, and a wrong kill here will lead to a MyLo/LyLo situation. As long as we clear even ONE person in the PoE, thereās virtually never a chance for wolves to win, so I think your attitude regarding this PoE solving has been -EV for town
Thereās a reason I asked each of you to pick 2 people only in that PoE, and you refusing to choose was also -EV because I couldnāt see where your thoughts were at. I was trying to force people into a situation where scum couldnāt simply switch between who would be the easiest miscuddle without risking spewing themselves or their partner, and I despise the fact that youāre so willing to dismiss all your previous reads and change your reads at the snap at the finger, because it just shows that your townreads are actually really weak and hold absolutely zero weight. For all I know, you could be just wolf trying to shade people who are too close to getting cleared (such as me and Shurian, especially with how consistently youāve been shading him despite thinking that āheās incredibly likely to be townā) and keep your options.
I really got into this read, geez
Now Iām starting to think illuminās the scummiest one instead of the towniest lmao
Iāll have to do some team forming
Neither of these people are in your PoE and you say you think theyāre town
What are you doing
Like, this is what I mean
If we kill a villager here, what do you think wolves would have to do?
Weāre going to enter into MyLo/LyLo, and they would have to get a miscuddle.
Whatās the easiest way to do that? By having fluctuating reads.
Whoās to say that you, as a wolf, wouldnāt just push Shurian tomorrow? Or anyone for that matter?
Youāre not explaining your reasoning besides commenting on single posts with āI agreeā or āI disagreeā and youāre refusing to clear anyone. Even when you say you townread someone, it means literally nothing, as you showed by starting to theorize a Shurian scumteam instead of working out your current PoE
iām not questioning that
as for the second question you havenāt, but youāve repeatedly stated that read a lot more tha individually reading light
ok but this reasoning doesnāt add up with you being sure about him being a wolf, which i think was the question marl asked
how were you sure about him being a wolf with such little content, and why is that not what your claimed thought process shows?
actually i havenāt
other than min iāve ended up reading most people the same
iām just more sure about shurian and illumin being town now, and more sure about you being scum
no, light dies today
then if it flips red min shoots appel
iāve been reading gortaās posts while typing and it isnāt much but itās looking like town and i have to be hopeful
yeah, he usually does this as town
especially when he picks up on how people are TRāing him for bad reasons
why is this a bad thing
if youāre better at finding town than finding scum then whatās wrong with playing it like this?
itās effectively what iām doing right now and itās why a lot of my reasoning has been hard to explain
the only 3 people i see being wolves are you, light and gorta, and before i had this PoE gorta had hardly done anything so i canāt really scumread that
but now iām more sure about him being town and so that brings me back to you and light
i thought you said you disliked illuminās D1?
i imagine your point now is that in comparison it looks better to everyone else, but thatās not what youāre saying
Hello
Appel I liked how much effort youāve put into your reads
Illumin with their questionable statements, I do agree actually that theyāve been kinda weird in the amount theyāve shifted in their reads. Iām wondering who you think would be paired up with them, and Iām thinking I may look more closely at that, for example- does light/illu really make sense?
Sorry about being off, I was sleeping
Good morning, Min! Team forming is what Iām about to do next, yeah.
Arctic, when you need to consistently act like you canāt read my posts in order to push me as scum
Your push probably isnāt very valid
I donāt see how you, as a villager, can genuinely try to solve and make these conclusions
This is what I meant
Iām trying not to be tunneled on arctic and Iām thinking if his conclusions are genuinely scummy or if he just has a much different thought process
these posts + your treatment of gorta D1 are not representative of you being sure about them being scum, yet thatās what you answered to marl
these are the only comments you gave on gorta before answering them to marlās question about who you were sure was a wolf
how is this tiny amount of reading into a slot, plus gortaās tiny amount of content produced, enough for you to be sure about them being scum, and why did you never push this?
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- how could you be sure about gorta being scum with that little posts that early into the game
- why is this not reflected in your actions
great foreshadowing for when it comes down to lylo and gorta dies again
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I donāt quite think Iām overreacting. I donāt believe Iām in a much better position than either of Light or Arctic, so perhaps we have different views on the state of the game. This thread is rather volatile too, considering there was a Day One CFD onto somebody who was not around at EoD (Yes, I was a part of this CFD) I feel I am absolutely correct to be worried.
I donāt have a wider PoE than whatās needed. We have 1 more ML available. There are 2 wolves. That means I can safely have a PoE of 3. Also yes, āhow little you townread themā is indeed how I play Forum Mafia. Anything else is not true Process of Elimination. If I townread most people heavily, those who have much less going for them are much more likely to be wolves! Itās how the game works! I donāt solely hunt for pelts, but if I see a wolf, I see a wolf. Iām very curious how you find this wolfy, as I truly believe it is the best way to play this game. Those who look for scummy behavior over townie behavior are much more likely to mislynch.
Youā¦ didnāt like me through Day One though? The only time I remember you saying something akin to that is when you said you were turning around on me because of Marl, but immediately afterwards you stated Marl could be powerwolfing, which sort of gets rid of the legitimacy of his read on me!
This is EXACTLY what I have been doing! Quite literally! I have been trying to narrow down to a PoE of exactly three! I have been engaging and pushing discussion forward; trying to pick at peopleās brains; I was the only person who actually cared to try to get an_gorta to play this game: I have been doing this! I may not be hardclearing anybody but thatās because there is nothing for anybody to be hardcleared for, save for a flip today. For example, if Light flips wolf, I do not believe Arctic can be a wolf with him. If Light flips town, the chances of Arctic being a wolf increase! You are calling my play wolfy when it is nothing but pro-town!
This is not true at all. I explained where my thoughts were at, even if the other three were my PoE. You did NOT make it clear that you were trying to force a situation where we have to pick only two, and exactly two, as you had little follow through regarding our answers. āI despise the fact that youāre so willing to dismiss all your previous reads and change your reads at the snap of the finger:ā My best reads died! Jane was a scumread, and flipped town, and SirDerps and Marluxion were two of my top townreads and they died as well. I was left with myself, you, and min, and had been turning around on the fact that Arctic might be a villager. I did not dismiss anything, but instead re-evaluated. Nobody is lockclear at this point in the game aside from the vigilante, but there are absolutely those who are more villagery than others! When you say you think my townreads are really weak, yes! They are! But I have been doing all I can to try to solidify them! This is not me trying to āshade peopleā but more trying to make sure they are not townread for the wrong reasons. I WANT to lock people in, but seeing as how we have one Day worth of content to sift through, and a second Day of near nothing, it is very hard to do so. I also do think Shurian is incredibly likely to be town. I do not think he is locktown. I think the reasons people are clearing him are indeed not clearing, as he was repping a very strong āgodreadā on Marluxion, and would have to uphold that regardless of alignment, and had the progression needed to start a CFD onto Jane as a wolf. I think he is more likely a wolf with Arctic, if he is one, however.
If one team is wrong, the other is likely right. I do not think the latter team is our reality. I do indeed think theyāre town, but they have partner equity too. Just like how I thought Marluxion was town (and Light to a lesser extent), but he had partner equity with Light.
My goal here is to not kill a villager! I do not think we are on track to kill a villager currently! I think Light is a wolf!
And I AM explaining things outside of āI agreeā and āI disagree,ā youāre just refusing to see that or acknowledge it! I have put in SO MUCH effort today and youāre lowering it down to two phrases! I am actually, legitimately, offended. I have no clue how you can see my body of work and think it boils down to one-liners and me simply agreeing or disagreeing with people.
I am not going to proof-read this, so I apologize if there are any grammatical or spelling mistakes.
Sheesh.
Itās quite obvious Iām being pushed by scum. Nothing about this feels natural in the slightest.
If you guys canāt understand that Iām the designated misexe because of my lost WiM, I really donāt understand what to tell you at this point.
Youāre entirely ignoring the context around my read
You act like I havenāt talked about my Gorta read beyond that
My whole read was based on their inactivity, because as far as I knew, Gorta being AFK to this extent wasnāt normal for him. We played both Pokemon 9er and Umineko, and those are my most recent games with him, so I was under the assumption that was his normal scum meta
That was meant as in āThe more Gorta is AFK, the more heās confirming heās scum who stopped trying after Uminekoā
And was in response to āwhy are you not pushing Gortaā
Because who would push someone who will out themselves anyway?
Youāre not thinking āis this scummy or notā
Youāre nitpicking my posts to deliberately look for things that could come from a wolf, and giving them a narrative that makes it seem like thatās what Iām trying to do
But youāre also actively trying to twist the logic behind them, which makes your posts seem bizarre more than an actual push because someone whoās reading them with an actual intent to solve would never make those conclusion