[FM] Mafia Academy 1 - Mafia Victory

[Marshal]

Answer to the OG question:

I can’t remember where i explicitly TR’ed you, i think you’ve been a nullread of mine and im gonna be honest im leaning scum more but wouk d have to pay more attention to oyu.

I’ve been more focused on not getting top wagon again because it happens alwayss and im in defence-mode

[Geyde]

Nerbins is obvious v
Get off

[Nerbins]

Oh it always happens to YOU huh

[Ami]

fuck this

having a vote is overrated

[Vulgard]

@Geyde

I’m calling for reeval on the basis that the current lynch wagons are fake as fuck
There’s no clarity on Jgoes in the Jgoes/Marshal interaction while the vast majority of players are going onto Marshal.

This gamestate is fucked and everything is wrong

…How do you even know what the wagons are? All votes are hidden. Wouldn’t you want to hold that thought until you see tangible proof of your theory?

Or are you expecting to get nightkilled? If you’re expecting to get nightkilled then it kinda makes sense.

[Ami]

scum is leading this shit

im not gonna sit by and have my thumb stuck up my ass

i have other shit for that

[astand]

I don’t need your claim, and why are you already afraid you would be the lynch?

You can convince people by playing the game if you are town.

Also why do you trust me the most?

[Nerbins]

@astand

Also why do you trust me the most?

Cuz we had this interaction in Clown Fiesta

[Marshal]

What is this… Shade?

It does always happen to me.

I have been the top wagon every day 2 ive ever played in and probably day 1 in this case.

I am constantly pushed because of my playstyle. Read any of my games

[Nerbins]

@Marshal

It does always happen to me.

I’m saying you’re not the only one man

[astand]

You mean me scumreading you?..

[Nerbins]

Day one scum-read yeah
Actually that is really flimsy reasoning now that I think about it
Still though I get a town vibe

[Marshal]

To be fair, meta is not on my side.

I have seen a lot of similarities between this game and looming threat. But Imma still ask everyone to bear with me because this is more of a personal-playstyle type thing and not a meta thing.

[Marshal]

Im not using it as a defence, just saying that it happens a lot.

[Arete]

Putting aside the question of whether any specific claims are true or false:

• I think it’s almost certain that Eevee’s put roles into this set-up designed to punish people for clearing mechanically.
• It’s likely that there are also roles designed to mechanically implicate each other (e.g. 2 jailkeepers that are both town-aligned)
• Given this, we should not clear people for their claim short of, like, an IC or a Mason pair or whatever.

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@Marshal

Can you give me an example of a time when you’ve tried to clear yourself with your claim as town?

[Marshal]

This wasnt about me was it

[Nerbins]

I’m talking to Astand

[Nerbins]

Also quick question did anyone else get TOS flavor?

[Geyde]

@Vulgard

@Geyde

I’m calling for reeval on the basis that the current lynch wagons are fake as fuck
There’s no clarity on Jgoes in the Jgoes/Marshal interaction while the vast majority of players are going onto Marshal.

This gamestate is fucked and everything is wrong

…How do you even know what the wagons are? All votes are hidden. Wouldn’t you want to hold that thought until you see tangible proof of your theory?

Or are you expecting to get nightkilled? If you’re expecting to get nightkilled then it kinda makes sense.

My theory is based off thread direction going from the assumption that scum will push directions and that town needs to communicate good directions. It’s wagons without votes involved.

I want to get this out because all of the pushed players are essentially isolated in thread and that’s screaming that something is off.

Our slot is being shelved for the night kill. Nobody interacts with Luxy’s content other than agreeing or shading it

[MaximusPrime]

@Maxwell

Mist1422

@Maxwell

mist1422

hmmm

@Marshal

how was that a reaction test? what sort of reactions were you expecting and how could they indicate alignment?

I already explained, i was trying to get mist to slip, asking if they talked with preistess wehn jgoes was their hydra.

sorta agree here. it was a very shitty lolreactiontest that anyone with an iq over room temp would’ve passed tbh. could be that he’s memeing a bit because he doesn’t have a pr tho
personally still think he’s town due to the first reaction test even tho this one was horrible and didn’t do anything besides waste posts

@Marshal

Do you have anything mechanical or is this just reads

you should know it’s just reads if you’re town tho
potential scumslip?
was originally leaning kai scum but idk what to feel after this now since i geniunely liked marsh’s first reaction test and reponses
these two are never WvW, so one flipping scum clears the other and if marsh is scum then jg is town too
also if marsh is scum, it’s possible that scum don’t have a pr bc he didn’t really know there was one d1 i think

@Shurian

Now you’re making me think Kai was doing that to fish roles as a claim vig.

mmm don’t think that that was role fishing bc it’s pretty shitty and i don’t see how it could work since it was a dayvig anyway? i really think he was just memeing there or trying to scare marsh which didn’t work out there (and that’s assuming there is a claim vig still)

@Sami

Eevee won’t let me use my gun

don’t see the point of this post, but i doubt scum would out that they had a gun

@Luxy

Priestess/PokemonKidRyan
Oh boy oh boy what do we have here…

Lets start with Priestess:

I’m definitely out of my comfort zone. I 100% hate microreads. I’m good in macroreads and fishing reactions, microreads are definitely something… well I have to learn it. Let’s try to familiarize myself a bit. Sigh reeeee

1. Arete & Disquieted (2) - Arete null. Disquieted: at least semi-experienced player. I like his solvey style. Making reads is not the only way to play towny. He tries to solve the Jgoes/Marshal situation by using very pointed questions. Townlead for now.
2. Astand (6) - Says he’s stressed, posts are def stressed. Seems for me like each of us got pushed out of our comfort zone. For real, too few content for now to evaluate. Gut says very light townread.
3. Luxy & Geyde (1) - Holy shit. Both good players, on the same spot? On the first glance the reads sound okay, but Geyde is known for his bad reads on D1. I’ll come back to this later. I think I have to read this slot by associations + intentions. Being solvey is definitely NAI for Geyde, and I guess for Luxy too.
4. Simon (9) - Reee, he’s scumreading PKR. @Simon explain your scumread on my hydra partner.

Simon:

doesnt fricking matter if its a joke

Holy shit, calm down. and don’t claim, neither class nor vote. Reeee
5. Kai (0) - Well. Null.
6. Shurian (4) - Tried to start this a bit slow thread with a jump, reads are okaish I guess? Feels solvey. Wait for read by associations + intentions.
7. DatBird (0) - Well. Null.
8. Priestess & PKR - Priestess is locksc… okay okay, sigh, for once I’ll try. I scumread you anyways, PKR, reeeee. I’ll make your life to hell if you don’t work with me
9. Marshal (36) - Bad vibes. This whole “reactiontest” and “memes” stuff seems for me to distracting from somewhat. Or somewho. But what? Can someone help me in this… scumlean for now.
10. Vulgard & Squid (4) - @Vulgard Can you explain to me why exactly you think that the memey distracting Marshal is more town than Jgoes who tried to confront him? Oh… later you changed your opinion a bit. Hmmmm.
11. Katze & Firekitten (2) - I want to see more from your fellow cat, daughter, but I really like your posts so far. Please continue, and don’t let anyone stop you from posting. You can do it
12. Derps (11) @Sami If you are town wasting your post restriction, stop it. If you are scum, trying to waste your post restriction on purpose, well.
13. Maxwell (1) aka Null.
14. Jake & Alice (1) … if you consider where Jake started, this is already a high level post in comparison. Keep going.
15. Merc (5) - Solvey. Townlean for now. Don’t have played much with her, so idk about her playstyle, but it seems pretty well for me. Highest townread for me.
16. Jgoes & Mist1422

LUL. Okay well. I actually like his way how he confronted Marshal. Townlean for now.
17. Maximus (3) - Really not sure. I’m biased. I’ll wait for PKR here. (come and earn your money @PokemonKidRyan reeee, we’re here for work, not for being idle
18. Nerbins (4) - @Nerbins Stop being nervous in scumchat and come over here reeeee

This readlist is objectively awful, however, the main thing to note is her read on us. She instantly starts discrediting what we say by saying ‘Geyde has bad Day 1 reads’ (Something I don’t remember at all btw) thereby, removing us as a threat. Furthermore, she basically ignores me and focuses on Geyde, despite only myself having posted, and most of the reads in my wallpost being my own. Priestess absolutely refuses to engage with anything I actually said, and instead basically attack’s Geyde when he hadn’t posted yet

This feels like a discredit of me and my reactiontest, while also painting jgoes as the “hero” taking down big baddiee marshal.

Hi OMGUS, I’ll do wallposts when I want to. Exactly when I want to.

She’s extremely aggressive this game, which is unlike anything I’ve ever seen from her. She accuses Marshal of OMGUSing for defending himself like what? She also pushes him for pushing a newbie in a hydra when newbies are often the easiest way to read a high skill/low skill hydra pair. More agression:

“awww pwease jump into my pocket jake.”

Lul. As if. I don’t like Jake. I just don’t like someone pestering our thread with unnecessary aggressiveness especially against LHFs.
Hey, how about you making some wallposts, which you are demanding from other people?

can’t really read pkr, esp since this is the first game i’ve played with him in a while that he didn’t die d1 (i think) so gonna read priestess instead

priestess has been very aggressive this game, and since pkr has said that they didn’t talk together in the beginning, we know that this is of her own will and not pkr coaching her or whatever so her overconfidence is a nice change, she’s very quick to throw shade which i do not like
however, pkr has claimed confirmable i think?

@PokemonKidRyan

I can confirm myself via my night actions because I do believe they’ll be good proof in itself.

yup, he has
i’m willing to give them 1 night if they can somehow confirm themselves, but we should definitely keep an eye on them

@PokemonKidRyan

3 - Just because we are working together, I do not believe it means our reads (At least until night) need to be the exact same. In fact it’s probably good that we do both post our own opinions here because then you can see progression from each part of our hydra rather than see us as a joint entity.

not really complaining bc i can’t read u but isn’t the point of a hydra to work together
if you are town, then you really should be helping each other (or more lik you coaching her) to help her get better and give actually decent analysis/reads instead of posting half baked content that greatly varies

@Arete

We don’t think Marshal is scum, from my perspective, these posts never come from scum!Marshal and scream angry town to me, especially at the way Priestess was provoking him.

I pretty much completely disagree with this and I’d like it if you explained how you came to this conclusion.

agreed with luxy in the beginning, but his post asking if it was mechanical info or just reads doesn’t sit right with me since he should know if he’s town
what makes you think that marsh could be scum? feel like his tone was geniune in the beginning with clear motivation

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thinking resolving the marsh/jg/kai thing would be best over nerb now