I don’t think you get the difference between silencing and flat out saying it’s bad reasoning.
I’m going to call garbage garbage, and if you are upset with that then CHANGE your reasoning to be actually good.
You can say whatever you like, it’s your right. It’s not your right to have it be praised or not criticized
I was busy cooking breakfast at the time, but you obviously read the posts so I didn’t find it necessary. But lets see:
I suppose this isn’t super AI now that I look at it, but my vote as a Town is more important than my vote as a Mafia, is it not? With how many people we have disregarding the PR entirely, in my eyes it’s immensely important to have as many town votes as we can, or we risk losing way earlier than parity would normally be reached.
I’m pretty focused on clearing confusion here. In my eyes that’s AI, but I can’t speak from your POV - especially since you’re more experienced than me. At that point we can agree to disagree. But I’m trying to keep the conversation on topic. Wouldn’t I want people to be confused, as opposed to putting me on the hotseat?
Why? If I were Mafia, and had very specific Mafia teammates, why would my reads be so different to FKs? We have the same goals. We want the same people dead. He’s pushing on Marshal like crazy and I’ve said I townlean him. I don’t know where his view is on Arettled, but they’re still probably my scummiest read. Why would we differ so heavily views if we were informed? Sure, I may be a bit biased here because I’m talking about my own hydra, but surely you can see the logic here?
Also, If I were scum with PKR, why wouldn’t I vote Nerbins instead of PKR? They were pretty clearly the second most pushed against person in the first day, maybe Marshal was but I still didn’t vote him either. I voted for my personal scumread. Someone I was well aware wouldn’t get killed. Instead of… someone who had a good chance of dying in PKRs place. I could have just joined the PKR bandwagon.
Also holy hell, writing wallposts is exhausting.
Gonna start splitting posts into smaller chunks for the ease of mind, especially since FK already annihilated his PR.
You talking about Luxy? It’s valid.
If I had to summarize it, the case involves:
- Mercenary had an awkward movement around Marshal/Jgoes, which is quite, quite valid.
- Mercenary doesn’t consider Jgoes as town, and it’s called agenda pushing. Slightly reachy, town can do that as well.
- Disagreement of scumreads is partially invalid, but given scum need to find a defendable position after a bad lynch and I’d reason a relatively bad nightkill that really does imply the kill was blocked at this point it’s… a fine point. I resonate about the 1 scum in a six person PoE, it’s a pretty big net to drag around and it implies a lot of associations - generally when you make a PoE you just lump everyone in and kill mafia inside, not think about how many they are. Luxy’s point because of it is quite valid.
- Lack of clearing people is… ok, it’s not smoking but it’s definitely somewhat indicative. Lack of Marshal vs Priestess is quite valid. Rigid mindset is definitely valid.
- IIoA is valid.
- Bad placement of Priestess is valid, lack of progression is valid. It’s quite intriguing to be honest, and requires independent investigation if only because that sort of thing is powerful.
- Shade and chainsaw is not incredibly valid. Probably more valid given it’s on Luxy/Geyde, to be honest. The bolded statement is powerful.
- Hedge is valid.
- Shrug at Geyde’s push, it’s not terribly indicative, as you can tell I’ve been ignoring pushes all game for one.
I haven’t actually gone into the posts themselves to check for context but it’s definitely… not reachy overall as written.
I don’t like some of the arguments presented here’s
Having different reads than FK would make sense from a mafia perspective because if you all have the same reads then I mean it would be easy to make associations. Also their are a lot of reasons you wouldn’t vote nebrins, you knew your current vote wouldn’t die and you would know nebrins is town, so you could have been hoping they would get enough votes and you wouldn’t look suspicious being on a town wagon
Perhaps so, in my eyes it’d be more wise as town to be somewhat on the same page, though. FK said it himself:
Sure, you can interpret it as a coverup. I’ve never played with any of you, so I don’t actually know how true it is.
But I can tell you that FK has had almost zero influence in my any of my posts. Whether or not you trust me is up to you, but I feel like half of my arguments reek of inexperience in comparison to FKs arguments.
can i just say that it feels like a personal win for me that i was kinda there with fk but yall arent scumreading me over it, because presumably yall saw it as me genuinely trying to help, and not as me trying to push an agenda. im just happy stuff like that that i do sometimes is known enough that people leave it alone.
also i forget how eevee called them, but the fk/katze hydra name is just firekatz. im sorry but this is just correct yall.
im p sure ive played with a scum you. i cannot confirm this. but thats more on me than on you 
honestly that feels like the kind of mega-play a scum fk would go for.
nah but it makes sense. i dont think eevee would include ~universal post restrictions, a slank vig and someone who can lower post restrictions. it gets to the point where its beyond reads > mechanics, and into the territory of feels bad. in what world wouldnt it just feel real bad to already have a 10 post pr, but then get that shrunked down to 5, only to be lynched because you didnt break your pr and post 10 times. i think in no world eevee would put mechanics that could directly encourage someone to break their pr.
thats why i think the pr shrinking is a lie.
>.>
hon doing mechanics in spite of this stuff is my specialty.
its literally what ive focused on getting good at for the majority of my time in fm. because im naturally terrible at reads so it was much easier to get a foothold in mechanics. ive just taken it and run with it to the point where most (in my experience) think its unfeasible or unreasonable. if it didnt work well enough it would have been abandoned by now. i feel i can get reasonable reads on the mechanics eevee would use, at least once im in the game and can get some feelers out.
Either way, the point of hydra dissonance is as such, from my perspective. I can assume Luxy may have had a different read, but this is what I want to talk about.
Hydras can happen in several ways. Hydras can work together very well, as Luxy and Geyde seem to be doing. Hydras can sometimes be a product of unfortunate circumstance, as Arete and I are currently having in terms of not having much communication. If you haven’t noticed already I may or may not be getting less than a pass grade on the mentoring I’m supposed to be doing, although Arete seems to be doing fine and I’m not sure why I was assigned to them.
Hydras can also wilfully disagree and will make it public a lot of the time. Usually this results in public whining, annoyance, and clear attempts at compromise inside the hydra.
What hydra dissonance is troubling is where none of the above symptoms in hydra dissonance occur. Playing as mafia involves a lot of independence and people just trying to play as is; also note that you maximise the amount of direction you can push because of it, while as town you naturally try to talk about the game from a town’s viewpoint, and that involves solving and such and you’ll get mad eventually. Not getting mad implies not solving the game.
Not sure that’s where the conversation has moved to, but as it is…
I’m starting to share Derps’ views about the amount of wallposts in this game being demotivating. I try to catch up and I see walls I would normally digest one at a time, except they contain most of the match’s content this time around.
The worst part is that I’m post-restricted myself and posting more but less (you get what I mean) would just make me lose my vote. Squid is not nearly as post-restricted so perhaps I am going to exploit her and cheat (that sounds really wrong out of context @PoisonedSquid).
Anyway.
I don’t like Mercenary’s defense. It feels like she does not have logical arguments for why I misread her, she just said I misread her and offered explanations I do not buy into. Simple as that.
FK/katze’s tone, while not harmful by any means, seem a little off to me; as if Luxy/Geyde are on the right track and an argument is ensuing. I’ve been on the same page with Luxy/Geyde for almost the entire game so I believe they might be on the right track here as well.
Jake/Maxwell - I don’t know, either could be mafia, maybe even both. I think they look equally scummy and I would be happy to lynch there, but lynching someone with more associations is probably better. I think FK/katze have interacted with more people. Wink wink.
Marshal is almost definitely town unless he is a really impressive distancer. He and Priestess/PKR were going after each other for the majority of day 1 and it ended with a mafia lynch. If Marshal is scum this game, I would be legitimately surprised. This is also the reason why I buy into his slankvig claim, and I can see why there would be a slankvig in this setup.
Also, I’m not sure if anyone mentioned this, but we almost certainly got a save last night if Marshal is telling the truth (and I believe he is). I think the save had to have been on Luxy/Geyde because that slot was always getting nightkilled after lynching a mafia. This is also why upon reevaluation I no longer think they could have bussed. Like Arete said, the wagon on PKR/Priestess could actually have been pure, which is pretty ridiculous but still a plausible world.
Merc/DatBird/Jake/Maxwell/FireKatze
Would lynch there today. I don’t think anyone else has the potential to get into that PoE as of right now - maybe if I am forced to reevaluate.
Also, Merc/DatBird are very likely to be w/w for reasons I stated three posts ago (if my math is correct). At least that’s my opinion, you’re free to challenge me there. I don’t think Merc did this very well, which is why I didn’t bother responding to her. I just have nothing to respond with. I don’t think she has any good arguments that would convince me, and I don’t feel like I’m confbiasing myself either.
Vulgard out for now.
Does it feel like I’m getting ready to snap at people instead of how I normally talk
It feels like you’re really angry this game, and while this could just have to do with your post restriction, you have already broken it - so you shouldn’t feel shackled and you should probably be happy. But you don’t seem that way.
It’s a silly little read honestly, hopefully I’ll be able to figure out something better later. You’re not my main focus right now, which is why there isn’t much I can say about your slot.
I’m also a little unnerved by Disquieted’s response to my question since they kept on saying “Oh town can do this and that”. That seems like soft defending to me. And Vul, if you need me as your mic, I don’t mind. I still have classes though :^)
There’s only one other game where I got close to snapping at someone in the game. That game I was town, and I was town in two other games on MU. Both games we just mislynched someone so I felt bad, and then marluxion started pushing me. That was the only game that I remember that I ever got close to snapping at someone.
This game I’m just tired of marshal, his reasons are bad and when you point this out he calls you scum discrediting him. That’s how you get someone pissed off in a game, even if it is unintentionally. Then Luxy comes around and starts scumreading me for calling Marshal reasons bad, and then doing the EXACT SAME FALLACY I GOT MAD AT MARSHAL FOR.
If I get mad in a game, I try to hide it but there’s a point where you can’t hide it anymore
it seemed to me that luxy’s main point against you wasnt that you were saying marshal’s reasons were bad, but how you went about that, making it look like you were kinda trying to suffocate him, something a wolf would do to someone whos reads are on point, even if they’re not based in the best of places.
and to use that fallacy,
just because your not building autobahns doesnt make you not evil
(also in that example apparently you just mislynched, when that didnt happen here)