[FM] Mafia Academy 1 - Mafia Victory

[Maxwell]

Perhaps? No way to know for me atm

[astand]

@eevee

Serious question, what did you smoke when you made Maxwell’s role.

[SirDerpsAlot]

What results did you get from the cop

[Maxwell]

I said in my earlier post
The result of the rolecop is that he is a neutral fruit vendor

[Ami]

my kind of crack

[PoisonedSquid]

I seriously doubt there would be three neutral fruit vendors in an FM. I’ll need to go and check something real quick

[SirDerpsAlot]

So you didn’t see any feedback from me max? I get invest feedback and it seems you didn’t see mine

[Maxwell]

The other two fruit vendors can apparently give out two fruits each night, as opposed to Astand who can only give one.
It’s possible that the other two fruit vendors aren’t neutral; it didn’t say explicitly that they were.

[Maxwell]

Maybe my ability only gives feedback from one person and the one I saw was both an observer and a rolecop in one then. It’s not really clear.

[SirDerpsAlot]

You said you get results from all invests yesterday

[Maxwell]

Did you invest Astand? @SirDerpsAlot
I targeted Astand so I only get invest feedback that was on him

[Maxwell]

Not all invests
just those directed on Astand

[Mercenary]

@astand

Who the fuck would claimvig you.

Daigotsu was the second son of Emperor Hantei XXXVIII (by his fifth wife Hantei Hochiahime) and the half-brother of Emperor Hantei XXXIX. He was the Dark Lord of the Shadowlands and the founder of the Spider Clan.

[SirDerpsAlot]

I thought you targets arete I’m confused now

[SirDerpsAlot]

I think I just can’t read

[Maxwell]

No, I targeted astand.
There was a rolecop and an observer on astand.
Astand is a neutral fruit vendor who must stop three attacks by activating fruits on people to win the game.
Astand visited Arete and Nerbins. He activated the fruits he had on them, roleblocking them and making them immune to any attacks.

[Simon]

@astand

Simon, you can forget about that proof of yours, since it doesn’t take into account human factor. If I were actually scum and were making mindwarp defense, there’d be about 1% chance of anything existing that could possibly prove it wrong. I seriously recommend against doing those kind of proofs, especially in closed semi-bastard setups.

noope, doesnt matter. still doing the proof. the main thing is that you have to take into account how accurate it is to properly read the results. no matter how conclusive it is it still yields a conclusion. even inconclusivity is a conclusion.
so no, i will not forget about it. when it is done and i decide on what i believe the outcome is i will immediately give a solid scumread on anyone who disagrees with it.
yes i know stating beforehand and whatnot make it seem unreasonable but if youre thinking this your probably wrong as to how you might think i will process it.
if the proof by contradiction works, great! if not, it gets people thinking about the various possibilities present, and collectively rules out some of them so that if people use those reasonings i can quote back to the proof say theyre wrong, and have them either move on to a different reason, introduce new information that changes things, or be heavily scumread.
so, yes, even in a closed setup designed so that traditional mechanics can be unreliable i think this will end up being quite useful.

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now i will tell you that you disagreeing with this is some against you as of course a mafia astand would not like us trying to conclusively prove they are mafia. as that would leave them no out should it prove fruitful, and could otherwise shorten down the possible ways you could defend yourself, with all possibilities already out there.

@astand

so I made a decision to roll with my check.

mega scumread for this lol. they literally called you out on it being fake multiple times. a large amount blame for mislynching then goes on you in my mind.

@Mercenary

Actually to have a minimum chance of victory here the best for me is to openclaim tbh
I don’t think mafia is vigging this

and this prevents you from doing what i said exactly how?

@astand

Because you are not going to win ever even if this wincondition is somehow legit. Which I don’t think it is.

he might if we just keep him alive for a bit and choose to try and hang mafia instead of a neutral. hanging just one more hydra would be enough to see him win.

@Maxwell

Astand visited Arete and Nerbins last night.

Astand’s role is the Neutral fruit vendor.

There are actually three fruit vendors in total. Astand is one of them and he knows there are two others.

Astand has two possible night actions, the first is to give someone a fruit of his choice and the second is to select a fruit type and he will roleblock and protect from all attacks everyone who received a copy of that kind of fruit (there are multiple kinds of fruits ig but idk what they are).

Astand’s wincon is to stop three deaths with his second night ability.

kinda believe it.
if this is true, the assumption is that there is a town fruit vendor and a scum fruit vendor in addition to this. i dont know what the town one would do, but perhaps the scum one is an arsonist of sorts, but with fruit instead of gas.

@PoisonedSquid

I seriously doubt there would be three neutral fruit vendors in an FM. I’ll need to go and check something real quick

do i need to say it again? stop assuming mechanical stuff. this is exactly how you do mechanics wrong.

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note: i refuse to keep astand as a lock town due to their actions so far in this game.
now, to keep up with the proof:

• could astand secretly have a role that gives him a false result, such as an insane cop?
• • no. the evidence for this is that the game is not bastard.
• could fkz have been framed by the mafia?
• • probably not, as i believe it was said that they were not a strong target for mafia, and so they probably wouldnt have been targeted with a frame
• could astand have been targeted with an ability that gave him false results
• • no evidence to the contrary so far. please let me know if you have any.

i think i have another one to add

• could fkz have been a miller? perhaps secretly, perhaps not.
• • i am unsure as to what would/could deny this. if you do, let me not

note: this is NOT rhetorical. DO reply to this if you have any other reasons or evidence to add to it.

[Mercenary]

I know who one of the non-neutral fruit vendors is
Good luck trying to milk that information out of me, though

[Simon]

I wont vote you today if you tell.
even if you become a consensus hard-scum.

and by scum i mean mafia

[astand]

Except I didn’t protect any of them this night, as I only gave them both bananas last night.