[FM] Quantum Mafia - Game Thread - Mafia Victory

[Marluxion]

Mountains good trees bad

[Marluxion]

Anyway I’m sleeping if I get hammered while I’m out I request likes as penance

[WindwardAway]

yes let the wolf!newbies tunnel town!Marl for the lolz would be pretty funny if true

[Marluxion]

You know it’s true aaaaaaaa

[WindwardAway]

I know it’s not true lol

[Marluxion]

[Marluxion]

(btw windy if you are town don’t hold this against me I’m sorry lol

Just paranoid of your wolf potential tbh)

[WindwardAway]

super paranoid, by the looks of it lol

[Marluxion]

Don’t make me get out of bed just to get on pc so I can post the angy cat

[WindwardAway]

it’s ok, I’ll post the angy cat for you if I get wagoned, before I flip town

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Zone_Q11

Since when do supper last for more than 3 hours?

well, eating supper usually means I get involved with my family for a while

@Shurian

@an_gorta_pratai
Try to catch up as fast as you can or the thread will look to get you, I’m feeling it.

good grief…

@Marluxion

vote lili, lock wolf

what is the reasoning?

@Marluxion

Because it’s a universal scumtell!

you’ll have to explain this one

[LiLi041]

Oh gorta you’re on
I have a fab recap post that is slightly biased but good on the whole for Marl vs. me!
Let me quote it for you

[LiLi041]

@LiLi041

So let’s recap for the sake of our T-dome, okay?

First, I vote Marl, I give reasons for why I think Marl is maf after looking through the ISO
Then, Marl votes me back, with the reasoning:

1. LiLi is too-frickin’-perceptive for catching onto him trying to scumread Windward (despite how anyone reading how Marl was like ‘windward tell me your teammates’ and ‘my brain says windward is town… but my gut says he’s scum!’, one right after the other, would come to the same exact conclusion)
2. LiLi said ‘lmao’, the ‘universal scumtell’ ( sooooo true amiright)

Then, Marl proceeds to ignore my questions and barrel forward with the second reason, which is even less reasonable than the first, calls himself a ‘dragon’ and tries to make everyone hammer me

Lmao lmao lmao
IY- frickin’ -F

Notice how Marl has not justified the contradictory “I’m scumreading Windward but I’m not at the same time” stance he has, nor has he denied how he literally jumped all over trying to find a viable voting target

Here you go, read read read! @an_gorta_pratai

[LiLi041]

Also I used some time after finishing my math hw to go back and read Windward’s ISOs
It was so long whew and before this becomes big with everyone questioning me on my reading ability yes it was so big a chunk I skimmed parts

KK, onto the actual stuff

Summary

@WindwardAway

So I ISO’d Rome earlier in the day to see if he had any wolf equity and I’m doing it again to write down all my thoughts on his slot and why I actually think he’s a likely wolf now.

I didn’t realize at first that his opening post (“Hello, fellow mafias”) was essentially a meme until LiLi filled me in on that it’s a common thing on MU. The question on why Jane was killed I think has a chance of being genuine, as Rome doesn’t know what Jane is like as a player, but on the other hand it would be a very easy thing to ask to gain a bit of a townlean.

As I mentioned earlier, too, clearing Kyo of having the same percentages as himself and Eli is a weird and invalid clear imo as it doesn’t really mean that all 3 of them would have randed in exactly the same way (and, in fact, we know they didn’t because Eli flipped as voyeur). Rome claimed in response that it’s only a temporary clear and he might go after them tomorrow, but I really don’t see a point in “temporary clears” since all it does is give potential scum another day to live.

He pushed back a lot on Seth which is pretty NAI as anyone in that spot would likely have done the same, although Rome specifically says that Seth is probably unfortunately town, but that he’s tempted to push for a Seth yeet anyway (his vote, however, is not on Seth). He also contradicted LiLi by saying that she doesn’t really sheep and instead nags/grills her targets thoroughly. I don’t know whether that means he thinks LiLi isn’t in her town meta, or if it was just a remark.

I’m not sure how much to believe in his claim that he no-actioned and asked Eevee for his rolecard before deciding whether to submit a night kill. I feel like anyone could claim doing that (unlike LiLi’s reverse order of submitting an action and then being told she was VT). When I mentioned that sometimes the most innocent-looking players are the wolves, Rome’s comment was “makes you want to go for them more”. I don’t really know if that was encouraging me to SR LiLi but it seemed like an odd comment. Probably NAI but I’m keeping it in mind because I really didn’t know how to interpret it.

When I specified that Marl/Rome could be w/w with the third mafia being the killer, Rome said he wanted to emphasize that they could simply be two VTs targeting each other and that we shouldn’t bother yeeting him because he’d be a “defenseless vanilla town”, which imo is basically empty words since anyone could say that.

Rome’s response when I asked why sheeping could possibly be a good thing was interesting. He said that if you have a good leader who’s a townie, the game becomes less chaotic, but if you choose the wrong person to sheep then it’s dangerous, so it depends on the situation. But I feel like this could very well be encouraging people to sheep whom they think are strong leaders while possibly enabling deepwolves if we have any. I don’t think it’s a good thing at all to encourage, especially when I personally know that YBW is capable of giving good reads on his own.

When I said earlier that Rome’s ISO was meh, he just said “tell me about someone who isn’t meh” which… doesn’t really say much imo. It’s a strange statement because I can definitely say that not everyone’s ISOs are straight-out “meh”. There are people who are significantly less “meh” than Rome, and it just looks like a dismissive response from him because he doesn’t want me to form more of an opinion on him other than just a “meh”. I just don’t like this response from him.

I’ve seen Rome claim multiple times that he’s VT and insist he’s VT and that we’ll all regret voting him when he flips, and it kind of feels more scummy than not to me. I think town at this point would stop trying to hard insist they’re town because their rolecard says town on it every time they’re pushed, because they know it’s a weak argument with absolutely no proof until they flip. He also says to Marl that the moment Marl decided he was a wolf, was the moment Marl was wrong, and that Marl might be a wolf following Seth’s tunnel on him. While I still think Marl and Rome could very well be w/w, this seems like a cocky and somewhat unnecessary statement that, again, anyone could claim. He also accuses Marl of scapegoating him and says he doesn’t like how Marl is handling things.

Rome was the first to post a full readlist today, and he reiterates that he’s ignoring Kyo for today, Marl is a nullscum (despite Rome hard accusing Marl of pushing him), TL on Shurian assuming Shurian was telling the truth, TL on Seth, TL on me for being active, TL on LiLi for being innocent, and null on everyone else. It’s not the worst readlist, but it does have a lot of nulls in it as well as that weird temporary clear on Kyo that I don’t like. It also looks like Marl is the only read he has that’s anywhere close to a scumread.

That was her rundown on Rome
I haven’t ISO-ed Rome yet btw
I was actually pretty anti-vote!Rome earlier since I felt he was totally oki, but after reading through this whole piece, I feel like I need to rethink that, since if all her interpretations were correct, Rome’s been anti-LiLi QAQ
Which means I need to re-read Rome’s posts

So I’m just putting this here just so you guys know and aren’t surprised when I suddenly start talking about Rome

I’m not trying to avoid the Marl topic, but we’re kinda at a deadlock and neither of us are going to budge so I want to go back to Rome, who I skipped over before

[an_gorta_pratai]

Right now I’m leaning towards lynching Marl due to that ping earlier

[LiLi041]

Though I’ll also put this here first too before I start reading since I don’t actually want to… actually I think I’m going to not read after all, I feel sick at the thought of doing another ISO bc I know I also have hw still so I’m not going to spend an hour on this

Summary

1. About nagging, he’s not wrong… If someone tries to grill me or slips up real big, I really do single-mindedly go after them. I’ve just been pretty calm this game before today (cough Marl it’s your fault cough Zone you’re a part of it too). Rome was probably just making a remark there
2. When I say I like to sheep… ah, looking back it’s kind of a pity, I don’t do it too (?) often, but anyways I mean like, not having to think/ISO on my own, just taking ppl’s words at face value, judging if it seems good or not, then voting if it’s good. This seems to be a misunderstanding so I might have used the term wrong; basically, if you make a decent case, I’ve vote with you. If you just tell me “LiLi vote him” with nothing else I’ll be like ‘no’
3. The clearing Kyo thing is really weird now that I think back on it- because I actually remember him sussing Eli before for having the same stats or something, and it’s strange that he would turn around and clear Kyo bc of it
4. As for ChopChop, I actually townread him at one point
   Then just earlier today my favorable impression of him dropped a ton
   He said I was scum, how dare he >.>
5. IDK about the asking thing either, but there’s no way to prove otherwise, we can only take it at face value
6. The ‘makes you want to go for them more’ thing seems important, so I’m going to look that up
7. Rome does say the defenseless vanilla town stuff a lot
   I remember someone or two someones saying it was an AtE
   Mmm not sure whether to trust it or not then
   I just remember last game he was town and he was desperately trying to save himself in the same way, though he failed
8. Talking about sheeping is kinda NAI though right…? It’s personal opinion? Or no?
9. ISO meh, IDK about this, don’t remember it, I’ll read up on it
10. I dunno about a Rome/Marl W/W team… doesn’t it feel weird considering how long they’ve spent arguing against each other? Though I feel like for Rome insisting he’s VT… like wouldn’t people usually do the same in his spot? And he’s been pretty active too iirc? Idk about this
11. I’ll recheck his readlist

[LiLi041]

@an_gorta_pratai

Right now I’m leaning towards lynching Marl due to that ping earlier

So what do you think about him v me
Who’s scummier (I fully expect you to answer Marl lol)

Or do you think this could be a TvT situation?

[an_gorta_pratai]

I’ll explain better when I’m not on mobile

[LiLi041]

Are you going to switch to PC now then?

[an_gorta_pratai]

When I’m done playing a game