[FM] Ritual Mafia IV -- Day 4 (7/16) -- Heretics and Traitor Win!

[katze]

uhhh

have we ran the numbers on a town ritual with cleanse active?

[Braixen]

I mean it would make sense

Heretics scared of Blood Mage Ritual because they would then loose advantage

[Arete]

I think that would be basically equivalent to a non-BM non-Enchanter ritual but with fewer potential shiny positive effects

[Braixen]

@N.1

Ritual of Leadership (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, a player of your choice will have two votes for the rest of the day.
Ritual of Clairvoyance (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, select a player. They will gain the following day ability:

Vision (Day) - Select a player. At the end of the night, you will know who visited them - 2 uses.

This could be bad for heretics

@N.1

Ritual of Leadership (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, a player of your choice will have two votes for the rest of the day.
Ritual of Souls (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed all dead Congregation members will be able to use their unlimited use night abilities tonight. (Doesnt work on Diviner, Oracle or Blood Mage)

This would be bad

@N.1

Ritual of Leadership (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, a player of your choice will have two votes for the rest of the day.
Ritual of Death (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, a player of your choice will die immediately.

This would be bad

@N.1

Ritual of Leadership (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, a player of your choice will have two votes for the rest of the day.
Ritual of Penitence (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, select up to three players and give each of them one of the following abilities:

Contrition (Day) - Select a player, they will be healed tonight. 1 use.
Confession (Day) - Send an anonymous message to a player. 1 use.
Penance (Day) - Select a player, they will be occupied tonight. 1 use.

This would also be bad for heretics

@N.1

Ritual of Leadership (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, a player of your choice will have two votes for the rest of the day.
Ritual of Lockdown (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, select up to two players. They cannot vote or use abilities until the end of the night.

Really bad for heretics

@N.1

Ritual of Leadership (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, a player of your choice will have two votes for the rest of the day.
Ritual of Eternal Youth (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, you may select up to two players. They cannot be the target of votes or abilities until the end of the night.

Pretty bad also

[Braixen]

If we want to be safe, Ritual an Enchanter.
If we want to be risky, Ritual a confirmed Heretic.

[Braixen]

Wait a minute that makes so much sense! They would think we would Ritual an Enchanter so they would use cleanse!

[Braixen]

Therefore we are closer to MyLO

[katze]

i guess ill try this

cleanse ritual someone into ritualing an enchanter

3+1v7
3+1v6 town ritual, cleansed
2+1v6 correct lynch
2+1v5 nightkills
2+1v5 ritual an enchanter
1+1v5 correct lynch
1+1v4 nightkills
1+1v3 ritual enchanter again
1v3 correct lynch
1v2 nightkills

so this seems like a losing deal

cleanse into blood mage shooting scum

3+1v7
3+1v6 town ritual, cleansed
2+1v6 correct lynch
2+1v5 nightkills
1+1v4 ritual a blood mage who shoots scum
1v4 correct lynch
1v3 nightkills
1v2 correct ritual

this doesnt feel right?

cleanse into a blood mage shooting town

3+1v7
3+1v6 town ritual, cleansed
2+1v6 correct lynch
2+1v5 nightkills
2+1v3 ritual a blood mage who shoots town

okay thats just parity

[katze]

so if we ritual a town today and it’s cleansed we need to stop at least 1 nightkill

which is very possible

[Braixen]

Too bad you missed the fact that Sorceror can kill more than 1 in one night. Second scenario is wack because I don’t think there are 2 blood mages alive. Seer could easily disable an enchanter.

[katze]

3+1v7
2+1v7 scum ritual, cleansed
1+1v7 correct lynch
1+1v6 nightkills
1+1v5 correct ritual
1v5 correct lynch
1v4 nightkills
1v3 correct ritual

this looks good but its still extremely risky to go for this

@Braixen

Too bad you missed the fact that Sorceror can kill more than 1 in one night

i don’t want to make 1000 branching possibilities here

[katze]

and honestly in any world where scum doublekill i think town just kinda lose

[Braixen]

Yeah. I also don’t think there are 2 bloodmages alive tbh

[Braixen]

@katze

3+1v7
3+1v6 town ritual, cleansed
2+1v6 correct lynch
2+1v5 nightkills
2+1v5 ritual an enchanter
1+1v5 correct lynch
1+1v4 nightkills
1+1v3 ritual enchanter again
1v3 correct lynch
1v2 nightkills

So that leaves us with this possibility.

[Braixen]

@katze Do the scenario if there is no Cleanse and a scenario if Alice is sacrificed

[katze]

@Braixen

if Alice is sacrificed

and flips martyr?

[Braixen]

Also 1v2s are scary tbh

[katze]

@N.1

The Martyr

Congregation Support
Ritual of Leadership (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, a player of your choice will have two votes for the rest of the day.
Ritual of Penitence (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, select up to three players and give each of them one of the following abilities:

Contrition (Day) - Select a player, they will be healed tonight. 1 use.
Confession (Day) - Send an anonymous message to a player. 1 use.
Penance (Day) - Select a player, they will be occupied tonight. 1 use.

so the benefits here are that we are slightly more likely to stop a nightkill

so ill do one where we do stop one and one where we don’t

3+1v7
3+1v6 martyr ritual
2+1v6 correct lynch
2+1v6 stopped nightkill
2+1v5 correct ritual
1+1v5 correct lynch
1+1v4 nightkills
1+1v3 correct ritual
1v3 correct lynch
1v2 nightkills

3+1v7
3+1v6 martyr ritual
2+1v6 correct lynch
2+1v5 nightkills
2+1v4 correct ritual
1+1v4 correct lynch
1+1v3 nightkills
1+1v2 correct ritual

thats parity

[Braixen]

So alice ritual is not the way to go

[Braixen]

I feel like Arete’s ritual abilities are disabled tbh