[FM] Ritual Mafia IV -- Day 4 (7/16) -- Heretics and Traitor Win!

[Arete]

@N.1

Ritual of Power (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, the heretics will be able to use up to two factional kills tonight (must be performed by different players).

oh

this is a thing too

yay

[katze]

oh god how much WIFOM is there in his logs

[Braixen]

Which would make sense

[katze]

lets think of worlds where marshal is and isn’t the convert

if he is, then arete or braix are scum FMPOV

if he isn’t, then arete and alice are very likely clear from italy; while chloes PoE would potentially be resolved

[Arete]

@Marshal

@Arete

who do we think is absolutely, undeniably town

marshal

but I have the worst ritual
so i should not under any circumstances be ritted IMO

hu er per hureo re

I was trying to go back and figure out how ‘ritual katze’ happened and

this post reads differently in hindsight

[katze]

@katze

arete or braix

chloe or braix*

[Braixen]

I think he wants to watch me suffer tbh

[Arete]

@katze

if he is, then arete or braix are scum FMPOV

shouldn’t this be ‘Chloe or Braix’

[Chloe]

@Arete

hu er per hureo re

arete’s keysmashing is evolving

[katze]

read the next post

[katze]

if marshal isn’t a convert then i think alice is just outted as scum?

[Braixen]

i’m not converted sooo

[Wazza]

The fuck?

[Arete]

okay

I think kat is almost certainly town pre-ritual for this

I thought this would be more helpful than it was to be honest

Summary

@Marshal

i say we rit whoever we think is sus but a good rit.

does anyone object to the rit pool in kats locktown wallpost?

@katze

@Arete

what do you think about my ritual reads in my not-as-wallpost-as-yours-but-still-wallpost

the threat of cleanse existing is something i kind of didn’t consider until braixen mentioned it and… ugh

@Marshal

I mean if cleanse is active then 100%

but you weren’t rlly in my ritual pool at this point so idk

@Marshal

the thing is we can’t

and so it’s WiFoM

which is why i think we should still rit from the pool of “rittting this person if townie doesn’t fuck us over” pool but then WiFoming it from there

@Arete

@katze

Arete (Blood Mage)

katze (Enchanter)
Vulgard (Diviner)
Braixen (Medium)
Alice (Martyr)

okay

Vulgard is dead so obviously not him

I think I’m not confident enough in Alice being town to include her in the ritual pool, like, I want to think she’s town, and she’s spewed by Kyo, but she’s good enough at fooling people that I’m not 100 percent comfortable with it

I’m okay with Braixen, it probably doesn’t get us Mechanical Things but it does get us a basically-guaranteed ritual on a townie

I’m okay with myself although a part of me kind of doesn’t want it to be me because if I shoot town and we lose because of it then it’s 100 percent my fault

I … think I’m okay with you but if we’re going to ritual you I’d want to spend some more time talking to you so that I can get a more confident read on you

would probably add Marshal to the ritual pool, I don’t really see him being scum after his EoD2 and mechanically it’s equivalent to an Alice ritual if both are town

@Marshal

no, its not

its virtually nothing

my targets are announced

@Braixen

Don’t ritual me because they probably have the ritual swap thing on me

@katze

she claimed martyr i thought?

i dont think WD ritual is that great, blood mages is a bit higher risk with a lot more reward

as for talking to me, well… im right here

@Arete

Cleanse could be a thing

but it could also not be a thing and instead they could be planning to use it tomorrow night, or whatever

so I think under that logic we should be ritualling in the Good Mechanical Rituals pool today, and then doing it again tomorrow if there’s a tomorrow, because only one of those can be interfered with by Cleanse

@Marshal

unless we sacrifice a correct blood mage or enchanter

@Marshal

I think kat isn’t a bad ritual IMO

I think they have only traitor equity but i also don’t think kat takes lamb

@Arete

fwiw

if I get ritualed I’m shooting Seth or Apprentice

@Arete

yeah

I’d agree with that

they definitely aren’t starting non-traitor heretic in my opinion

I guess they could maybe be a convert

@Marshal

I don’t think you would feel confident enough to take lamb

if you are traitor im calling it now, pregame you were probably like “oh well im not good enough to take lamb” with some self-depricating humor or something along those lines

@Marshal

also i wouldn’t miss kat all that much because kat sux

and as far as the other claims of ppl who are in mech rit pool

Apprentice? never.

dry? never

gorta… there would have to be a compelling argument

arete… arete I wouldn’t hate. But I also think arete has traitor equity and would take lamb

@Marshal

and blood mage

is the strongest rit like in general IMO

@Marshal

thats dumb

i still endorse a kat rit 2020

@katze

im kind of feeling an arete rit a little bit

@katze

@arete can you run the numbers on how the game looks with an enchanter rit?

@Marshal

and a succesful/unsucessful blood mage rit

and a non-lamb traitor rit

just do ur nerd shit

@an_gorta_pratai

A enchanter ritual would be good, but if we have a confirmed blood mage then that would be even better.

@Marshal

that’s… maybe right technically? It probably is nontechnically too

one of arete/kat is traitor probably, ici possible too, maybe sulit.

But i’d say arete/kat holds traitor like 70% of the time but like if kat is ritted traitor… i don’t even hate it and i want arete’s math™.

I don’t think you/arete/kat/myself contains a starting heretic ever

gorta? idk about him

@katze

wait jesus christ

do we HAVE to rit a blood mage?

@katze

so basically

we have to rit a blood mage and hope they shoot scum

or rit an enchanter and hope we get a night save or two

@katze

i considered that as well

but i only trust one of them as being a currently alive, unconverted blood mage

and they claimed to have used their big day ability already

[an_gorta_pratai]

Do we know who started the push?

[Arete]

Marshal

[Braixen]

Marshal

[Braixen]

I wanted to push sulit but yall were wimps

[katze]

i still think sulit is likely scum

[katze]

the problem here is

we can’t know for sure whether or not marshal was converted

so… i don’t know who we lynch off of this