[FM] Ritual Mafia IV -- Day 4 (7/16) -- Heretics and Traitor Win!

I mean, if you ask me, I’d remove traitor altogether in favor of adding 4th scum. (as well as adding 1-2 town and redoing almost all roles in the game)

Italy that’s not how math works

1-1+1 is not 2 italy

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…I wonder if it would help if Ritual of Truth was a strongman peek? Meaning it’s basically a guaranteed reveal on scum.
Or would that tread into the ‘obscene’ territory?

shh
i don’t feel like actually doing the basic math

You gain nothing from being ritualed as scum, literally
All it does is give town even more association. I mean you lose a deepwolf.
The only time it’s beneficial is shaman soul exchange

(Or when you’re trying to kill an IC with decent reads to be a threat)

(Or preventing a Diviner from modrevealing your teammates)

i also feel like blood mage’s collect-blood-from-3-ppl-at-once ability sucks
because if you touch any scum, you’re VT for the rest of the game

if you get ritualed you instantly convert a new player into the scumteam
how can that be compared to “you get to publicly invest a person and can’t find traitors with it. the price is YOUR LIFE”

Your association pretty much helped all other wolves, so I’m not sure what you are talking about.
It’s on scum if they leave associations that are not beneficial to them tbh.

diviner doesn’t even get a one-shot
they get NOTHING to find traitor with

You die
You don’t gain or lose a player
You give town association and reads

You have an IC checked player with the only possibility traitor
On top of that there is already another IC in this setup

It gives town things to work with.
It’s their skill that they utilize, not ours which is always bad

You want to be in control of the game - not hoping they screw up

you also get the secondary scum ritual ability
which is usually more powerful than either of the town ritual abilities

it doesn’t set off an alarm if they get converted later

double rolecop
extra factional kill
plenty of shit to ruin town’s day

i don’t see how you can argue this is balanced
you achieve the same effect by outing your invests in your logs when you flip

also scum always gets to pool votes for free on anyone they want and lie about it in the main thread
what really bit town in the ass during ritual phases this game is that no one stepped up and said “HEY, ALL TOWN POOL VOTES ON THIS PERSON FOR RITUAL. IF THERE ARE ANY TOWN DEFECTORS, WE’RE FUCKED”

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“(person) came up as not heretic”
okay guys the logs confirm them as not heretic