[FM] Town of Salem 2 - Stalker, Executioner, and Shade win!

[Marshal]

N promises big thing

N does not deliver

N does the gamer move of selfvote + AtE

[N.1]

difference is, i’ll flip differently this time
But this is definitely better for town EV wise than keeping me alive and wasting a night action on me
So please kill me now

it’s not an AtE. I want to die.

[Marshal]

however

/unvote

no quickhammerino

[Jane]

Vote Count

Voted	Voters	Votes
Marshal	Fossil	1/10
N.1	katze, TheBlueElixir, an_gorta_pratai, oB_L1ght, N.1	5/10
Sogman	ModeShifter	1/10
clonedcheese	Alice, CRichard564, Twil1ight	3/10
PokemonKidRyan	Wazza	1/10
Currently abstaining Players	Italy, Marshal, clonedcheese, EVO, SogMan, PokemonKidRyan, Universal, Magnus	8

Yell at me if there are any mistakes.

[Marshal]

usually not afraid of quickhammerino but with things like exe + nb i’m erring on the side of caution

[Universal]

Twilight’s ISO
(Sorry of it’s atrocious. I am trying to get better at them)

@Twil1ight

/FoS Wazza
You didn’t have like no reason to claim that, what is this

(What does FoS mean?)
Aside from that, Twilight’s first notable action is FoSing Wazza, which I am just going to think is like accusing him because of the following line, “You didn’t have like no reason to claim that, what is this.”

Watching SogMan’s response to Magnus’ posts which apparently are that he highly suspects Magnus for seriously going after Katze’s (awesome) meme posts, and how different it is towards Twilight’s when he took Wazza’s claim seriously is a bit suspicious. I went looking through the reads a bit more and Wazza was being theorized to be all sorts of classes by Marshal and other players, but as of right now I am just very skeptical of this change in attitude.

@Twil1ight

Question for anybody who maybe played with them, are they always making those type of vague reads?

@Twil1ight

Elaborate on this

@Twil1ight

I get it but if possible please try make them a bit more complex so i could at least understand ypur reasoning a bit without asking.

@Twil1ight

Why is that?

@Twil1ight

Well then, tell us why he’s tunneling him? Also reverse psychology exists.

Twilight’s feel early game is very towny with a bit of energy in it. They ask a lot of questions, specifically why others have the reads they have. While I do think this is a towny thing to do, looking at how many questions it is and how their reads are essentially bounce-offs from others, I feel like Twilight is a bit opportunistic. That’s where the energy comes from.

Also this:

@Twil1ight

Alright time for mercy has passed,
/vote N.1

Hopefully tommorow, there would be more activity.

To me, it appears that Twilight has always had it out for N.1 since the beginning. Targeting him for pressure, despite there also being other players that haven’t nearly posted enough or haven’t posted at all.

@Twil1ight

Mostly because he actually posted and contributed nothing to any discussion.

This post was done in response to TheBlueElixir’s question as to why N.1 hasn’t posted on much and if Twilight had any experience, Twilight just response with this. I would be behind this type of move, since I personally also believe getting out the lowposters/no-activity players are a move that town should do if all else fails. This is because having a slot that gives no information whatsoever or just very little information, is a slot that can be detrimental to Town in the long run. But by 2 days ago, I haven’t even posted anything AT ALL. I don’t even think Alice posted anything aswell. N.1 at least had made an entrance. If contribution of information is what gets you the target, then in my opinion, Twilight should’ve went after either me or Alice.

@Twil1ight

Not really. At best it’s NAI as competent scum can abuse it really easily if he doesn’t want take any effort to make actual reads.

@N.1

i realize you haven’t been here in a long time, but something you should know about me is that I play differently than most.

For the record, every person have a different gamestyle thus don’t make such excuses. I’m accusing you of being scum because despire the fact you posted few times you didn’t contribute at all. And contribution is not only making reads. Leaving you alive at present time would be unwise from my PoV.

This post also makes me feel like Twilight is heavy tunneling N.1. He admits he has no previous knowledge of N.1’s playstyle and just going after him due to not posting that much that contributes to Town’s win.

@Twil1ight

@TheBlueElixir

why would leaving him alive be unwise?

Because i think he’s slanking scum that purposely doesn’t want help Town.

@TheBlueElixir

considering there were 8 posts at the time of you making that read, not contributing a whole lot is also NAI.

The post count doesn’t matter as i accuse him for NOT contributing AKA help Town in any way despire the fact he posted few times.

@Twil1ight

You essentially scumread me because i’m not that proactive like you want me to be even though if you like again actually see the record of my past games then you should know by now i was never very active player to begin with regardless of alignment.

These two posts contradict each other as well as what Twilight essentially kept accusing N.1 of, not being proactive or not being as active D.1. When it was brought it that N.1’s meta was this in a previous post, Twilight disregarded it completely. Making it seem as if Twilight didn’t care for meta when it came to N.1. But despite this, Twilight stated how we should judge his playstyle with his regular meta and how his low activity compared to the others should be disregarded via that way. However, he never gives that avenue of escape to N.1.

To me, honestly, Twilight looks to be very mafia-y with their actions regarding N.1 Aside from that, they also seem to ask a lot of questions and do quite a fair bit of reads. They actually join in speculation and don’t seem afraid to chime into chat.

I am leaning towards Twilight being mafia in this instance just because of the amount of shadiness in their posts around N.1, and how they went from being so confident on it to voting Clonedcheese because there was a buildup in his wagon, at least it seems skimming through the replies in Twilight’s ISO.

Either way, depending on how EoD goes, I may move Twilight up from mafia or down as being 100% mafia.

[Marshal]

@Universal

(What does FoS mean?)

finger of suspicion

it’s not a vote, but it’s basically saying “i’m suspicious of this person”

[Universal]

Ah ok. I searched it up online while doing the ISO and found that it can also mean “Full of Poopoo” and I didn’t want to assume they actually meant that

[N.1]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Twi was exe with me as their target, but regardless, it’s far better to kill me today than waste any PR actions on me, so please do so.

[Universal]

Aside from the ISO and the results, was it good? Did I do decent?

[Marshal]

N can you at least try to lynch coven?

if you aren’t gonna play you should probably replace out. like atp it’s just you going “ohwo I don’t have time to do literally anything so im going to just selfvote and not help”

idk if it’s against the rules to encourage this but rn you are not helping whatever alignment you are

[Universal]

Was my ISO goodddddd?

[Universal]

Also it took me like 30+ minutes to form that entire thing. I went after Twilight first because they were the lowest posters out of the three I am gonna do. And it took me from like 2:45 til 3:30ish.

[Marshal]

I liked it because it showed a pretty good thought process even if I might disagree with the conclusion

[Universal]

When I am gonna do an ISO on modeshift or Katze I am probably not going to be seen for a few days ;-;

[Universal]

I just think Twilight is very mafia-y due to their tunneling of N.1. If it weren’t for that, I would’ve read Twilight largely as town since everything else indicates town. But how they handled the whole thing, it just leans more mafia than town.

[Universal]

What is your conclusion on Twilight?

[Marshal]

see I actually agree with that conclusion almost exactly, it’s just that I think that tw1’s tunneling of N is not as scummy as the rest of their posts are towny

[Universal]

Oh, so you think the other factors are more of a redflag than what I put out

[Marshal]

well no

I think that there are a lot of green flags and one red flag

so when I look at them I think they are green