[FM] Town of Salem 2 - Stalker, Executioner, and Shade win!

[Aelin]

Okay, so sleep is a fruitless pursuit for the moment. Seth was doing a constant Sethtunnel for all of D1 on people who I can’t honestly remember besides me and since it’s being brought up, PKR, refusing to explain why he thinks I’m scum.

[Geyde]

Boi in Blue

@TheBlueElixir

Also why is Wazza scumleaning Italy already?

felt like he was really different in FoL 27 and SFoL 60 (might have the #'s backwards)

@TheBlueElixir

if Katze is actually sheriff I will be surprised

also if you got neutral tell me you wouldn’t just keep memeing

@TheBlueElixir

considering there is no guaranteed protective, I find this hard to see

heck katze might actually be a shade/phantom that need to be attacked to win

@TheBlueElixir

I’m not going to take Katze’s claim seriously until I have a reason to, maybe like a soft or something else

could be legit, either way a meme

@TheBlueElixir

I was about to enter team gamer

But I thought that could be too convient to become gamer

Explain how this helps drastically or is that just what you want it to do

@TheBlueElixir

So I’m going to be playing on and off for awhile and I’m back on

Unless pkr or wazza have changed it, Marshal is the top poster and in second.

Team gamer could be a way to extort thread control, and I could see myself giving in. Effectively, team gamer is me and marshal pocketing each other too, so him flipping coven would look like I’m coven too. While I do think marshal’s conversation attempts are townie, the towncred is incredibly easy to get there, especially for marshal. So until I have a reason to rejoin,

/leave team gamer

@TheBlueElixir

nootreads aren’t exactly the best idea are they

tbf ive never played a game with this many neutals

@TheBlueElixir

which ever one has got the master is going to consider themselves more likely to live from town so around mid game I see the master one claiming but the one who has to kill their attacker I just don’t see ever claiming, as they need to both die then find their killer

@TheBlueElixir

ight so gorta, your sticking with your idea that theres a wolf in Wazza/Marshal

which one do you think is more likely?

@TheBlueElixir

but just you know make reads and add to the game

Twl1ght what is going through you head after the wazza/marshal/gorta situation

do you still believe wazza is likely executioner?

@TheBlueElixir

I haven’t seen a CRich scumgame yet but I do want to see more from him

though this post could literally be about half the game rn

I’m about 60 posts in, and most of this is kinda eh stuff with no real attempt at deeper analysis (on topics that are potentially ai)

them pushing marshal/wazza/gorta dilemma is weird
is there any reason to do it?

@TheBlueElixir

I want Twil1ght’s posts because I don’t agree with them

but I hate this post. like a lot. Possessed in FoL 27 shared my opinion - people could just play scummy as town and suddenly looking like scum becoming NAI is frustrating to anybody who doesn’t have that

but if you need it go ahead I guess, nobody can stop you

I do like this

@TheBlueElixir

does your meta change throughout a game? I don’t like this post, the idea your going to try to change inside of a game to appear more townie.

gorta, I want to believe your town. Please keep posting reads and Ideas

this seems disingenuous

@TheBlueElixir

PKR(seems pretty clear, done his thing)
Sogman(talking more then in randomizer but feels like he’s trying)
Marshal(until we have more reads from him and flips of those, I don’t want to put too high. Grabbed easy towncred by starting the thread up multiple times but still he did do those things and he gets the credit)
Modeshifter(off but also felt the same kinda off as prince)
some nulls that didn’t make the cut(no order)
N.1(not nearly enough posts but heading in a wallpost direction)
gorta(thoughts earlier - scum motive but a little too bold)

@TheBlueElixir

fair

I think it could be v/v/v but I’m not nearly ready to do that. 3 ify players go in, a towncore doesn’t come out

that’s a bit unfair but you see what I mean

@TheBlueElixir

what were your thoughts on the marshal/gorta/wazza situation? wazza is now a scumlean of yours and the other two went up

@TheBlueElixir

@Marshal
@CRichard564

gonna pull a arete/geyde here

take a walk

clear your mind or something

things are getting more heated then really necessarily, especially for this game

do not argue with this, no matter what else.

@TheBlueElixir

alice/uni are zeroposters so yes
oB is someone I agree with until I get a closer look at him or he becomes clearer for me to read
gorta is someone I want to look at closer(in my PoE)
cheese is in gortas boat of being a medium poster but not having anything substantial to get out of PoE
EVO’s posts I liked, but due to having only like 5 posts they stay in PoE
Fossil is like a weaker EVO for purposes of PoE, except having less content rather then post count
PKR is someone I disagree with because I do think they believed in that kind of opener and they followed through. I think he’s been under extra fire for his opener but I didn’t have as many problems with it. Want to see more social stuff from PKR though.
Magnus is in PoE because magnus not out of PoE

@TheBlueElixir

I, yes me, is yet to make it into a PoE which is really hmmm. Townleaned by most, null at worst.

Id also like to point out that TwiL1ght is in a peculiar position, that’s quite similar to mine actually, being townleaned/nulled. Thinking of ISOing this one because something about this slot is off to me

sog/cheese seems to be a little off the center to scumleaning

a chart might help like those charts with the two circles you know what im talking about

@TheBlueElixir

Ight so ive seen TwiL1ght be either a townlean or null generally and I don’t know why(since I disagree on a few points) so ima ISO that.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/102?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/105?u=theblueelixir

starting off upset that gorta claimed, because claim does indeed=bad
and now we have 2 cit claims, a mayor and a vet claim regardless
however these statements have already been made, will be made and are just easy statements to say

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/115?u=theblueelixir

I want to see what you have when you get the chance, notably who your townreading

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/134?u=theblueelixir

^^don’t know why people thought his entrance was necessarily scummy, but now he’s a sorta double claim I imagine we can treat that as more likely going to become townie then not. Unless he doubles a scummy person then we should keep an eye out for a change in playstyle.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/141?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/147?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/154?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/158?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/161?u=theblueelixir

For this bit, TwiL1ght asks questions and states the obvious statements at a surface level. Asking why Wazza would claim I found was weirder then just saying ‘don’t claim’. But for him to give a why, odds are he’d have to claim first. I think the reaction to when he does claim(third/fourth/fifth posts) didn’t come from a villager mindset. FMPoV a villager should be trying to get others to not claim, telling them to not claim and then ask why after they’ve claimed. A wolf would want claims but would like they don’t want claims so they’d not directly fight claiming, beat around the bush more and then act like they shouldn’t have claimed once they already have. Not a fan of the fourth and fifth post either, but I just realized that perhaps im hyper-analyzing the posts and because its still only like 5 posts.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/186?u=theblueelixir

isn’t it the other way around

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/191?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/202?u=theblueelixir

Well yes but actually no. Also whats it to a you?

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/315?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/323?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/468?u=theblueelixir

TwiL1ght wants more Sog reads and says Marshal is being passive. I’d dare say I don’t think Marshal is being that passive but I get where your coming from - he’s not being a tyrant. You’ll see its a common theme for them to ask for others’ reads without a lot from themselves(though the marshal thing was nice to see).

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/471?u=theblueelixir

the mysterious N.1 ‘tunnel’ that ill get more into later but this vote isn’t backed up by anything yet

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/474?u=theblueelixir

im just going to put AFR(asking for reads) as a new acronym for whenever this comes up. AFR is a good thing but it should come with a few reads of their own. (actually im guilty of this too aren’t I. Hopefully this ISO will help counter that though)

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/522?u=theblueelixir

this is a rather blunt accusation. I don’t like neutral reads, but there does have to be an executioner or phantom(or is it shade?) as the ne in the game though. Also I can see coven trying to frame their own team as possible neutrals because it clears them from nk attacks and their not a main enemy to the town. I don’t like this post, but its not exactly screaming WoLf wOlF WOlf and was a legitimate explanation.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/532?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/539?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/548?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/598?u=theblueelixir

AFR

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/645?u=theblueelixir

yay a read and a good one that I agree with. I think gorta is town. Little more hesitant to clear Wazza/Marshal but it could be v/v/v.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/653?u=theblueelixir

AFR

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/691?u=theblueelixir

bruh this is probably the most scummy thing TwiL1ght’s done, but also a really townie thing.

the first part(meaning everything before ‘Uh’) was a reply to N.1 wanting to meta. I found this incredibly scummy, he wants to do that then he can do that, why ‘no, just no’. Your explanation on the N.1 read is that he doesn’t have a lot of content in his few posts, but why are you so ready to call it early?

the second part(meaning everything after ‘Uh’) was a reply to gorta, saying that killing wazza and marshal then getting yourself killed has scum motive, which is very true. I thought this was really townie.

So that was an odd post that went both ways

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/703?u=theblueelixir

wouldn’t competent scum make normal reads and/or meta reads too? The second part is true though, everybody plays differently so pointing that out isn’t a good defense.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/706?u=theblueelixir

was very opportunistic actually, to jump on him for that, but it was a scummy post. Reads should now be based off more now that gorta has given more.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/719?u=theblueelixir

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/1569?u=theblueelixir

(N.1 explanation) Still felt it was a little early to call it, but I don’t think N.1 actually contributed anything unprompted(a bit like cheese if Im remembering his posts correctly). His stalling for another day should work, because, while ive never played with him, he clearly has big intentions. If you want to call that lolmeta, I cant stop you.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/1570?u=theblueelixir

I’d like to see both Magnus’ defense and a bit more from N.1 and your reads(obviously I know your thoughts on N.1/gorta but the others). Also the magnus train, despite not having a defense, is the same situation as the push on CRich. The defense wasn’t too strong(in Magnus’ case not yet here) but the reason for accusing them was also very flimsy. Im afraid we might accidently get a pressure claim or something out of him. This magnus part isn’t very relevant to this specific post but I want that out there

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-town-of-salem-2-day-1-19-19/81585/1576?u=theblueelixir

AFR

so now for a conclusion. I don’t want to have now 3 ISO’s made and all of them turn up null so…

townlean. I could see this as executioner with N.1, but besides the posts specifically relating to N.1 I think TwiL1ght handles towniely. A bit odd with the gorta situation, as always should re-eval later, but all non-N.1 posts seem to have reason.

ta-da. now give me your townreads TwiL1ght.

@TheBlueElixir

congrats you passed my first rt

I figured coven would take a guess and have it half right on purpose

but townies wouldn’t see why they should take a wild guess

@TheBlueElixir

kat, despite being read there, wasnt actually involved so I didnt get anything about kat there

alice + EV from that, doesn’t make sense and was forced

marshal +townie points, coven would be more likely to let that fly and criticize it later.

also I don’t think alice+marshal scum team is likely. they could’ve just explained the misinterpretation in scumchat and never have had alice look bad like that

@TheBlueElixir

/vote Alice

the ball is kinda in her court now, and if this is a thunderdome its marshal I would rather alive

feels bad that she is going to get mech ruined again if she if scum

also first vote of mine to ever make it onto a vc here i come

@TheBlueElixir

im almost ready to say wazza is exe with marshal as target for that

but im not ready to say that

oh nvm he got a new claim

@TheBlueElixir

ight so i barricaded the door i have a little more time before i probably leave for the night

Italy, if alice flips scum you should be transporting marshal, who would be nearly confirmed

if alice flips town then swap Wazza

of course, WiFoM yourself with a citizen claim or a non claimer(not the mayor)

(did pkr ever retract vig claim)

@TheBlueElixir

townreads:
CRich(mayor)
Marshal(scum doesn’t cc vet here. especially not scum that wants to live through wazza. I could see like shade/phantom doing it but that’s about it, and ive been TR/TL’ing this slot well before that)
PKR(most accusations leveled against them are weak and i get v pings. oddly gone only after what he knows what a thunderdome is, though it could be chance)
townleans:
Magnus( way too little posts to TR but I do like the very few things posted today)
EVO(in magnus’ boat, I like their posts but just too few of em)
katze(sheeping marshal to an extent here, the more deduction and less memeing after the start felt good, but im connecting this to their scorned game, which isn’t town but isn’t group scum either)
TwiL1ght(asking for reads, has some solid opinions of their own and actually argued with the post i townleaned them in which was towny. However not giving reads.)
gorta(feels like a legit claim slip, made one scummy post then stuck by it and was bold enough)
Italy(consistent memeing seems natural, but this is barely out of null/PoE. Want to see how he develops)

null until further notice: (explanations are individual)
Wazza(wild card, might warrant looking at his other games)
Universal(like posts, but until I see their ISO’s I likely wont be sold)
oB_L1ght(I need to ISO skim/analyze this, but did give reads)
N.1(specifically setup for to do big things, if I don’t see them, I don’t want to see him)

PoE(don’t fall into the other category, so they fall into this one. I wont be explaining these reads. If you want elaboration, ask me. but the general answer is that they don’t fall under the other categories.)
Alice
Seth
cheese
Sog
Fossil

I acknowledge im misclearing people in my current state, due to the small size of my PoE. I do intend to re-eval within d1. Additionally, don’t consider null until further notice the in-between of PoE and townlean, but rather a variable.

@TheBlueElixir

I get that if you don’t have reads at that time but if you say you still need to do that please get around to it.

his wallpost was the closest we got to his opinions on like everyone else

gorta has entered my PoE

I jive with this eval because it sticks out in a good way
Would scum go back and reread somewhat townread players (basing off Alice reads) just to stumble onto push fodder then come up with a push and then make that turnaround push without serious buildup in prior posts (instead of testing waters)?

I seriously doubt it
It makes far more sense from town rereading an ISO, commenting on it, then stumbling on something particularly suprising

It also is then consistent with them questioning mode/oblight
Same thought process, not cherrypick

I like it

their later handling of gorta was kinda weird tho

I still like their later thought processes, but some stuff kinda irks me
I’m going to play it safe and probably (?) evaluate it at moderate town

[PokemonKidRyan]

@ChopChop

What did I do today for you to be sick of me.
Please do elaborate.

Your whole ranting post after I’d already apologised. Not that you deserve even part of one.
You even had the fucking audacity to @ me in it.
If you have a problem then sort it.
I’m the NB or scum, right? Then please, finally do SOMETHING about it.

@Geyde

could you explain your seeming foot on foot off sometimes when you’re talking about your thought process

What does that mean?

[Geyde]

@PokemonKidRyan

What does that mean

difficult to explain
it’s like the narration that is confusing me
whatever
I’ll come back at your slot in like when I wake up or smthn

[Geyde]

could someone compile a list of all people that have stated willingness in some manner or another to vote sog
only stuff before d2 tho

[Geyde]

so

if I townread tbe, what the fuck do my reads look like now?

I have pkr/uni/twi/evo/magnus/mode(can this slot seriously be scum? I might just follow alice’s read)/ob as potential scumonthewagon
off wagon, I’m looking in fossil/gorta/wazza/sog/(maybe) cheese

I don’t want to build cheese town worlds yet since I’m not 100% confident

[Geyde]

@Universal

I just think Twilight is very mafia-y due to their tunneling of N.1. If it weren’t for that, I would’ve read Twilight largely as town since everything else indicates town. But how they handled the whole thing, it just leans more mafia than town.

interesting manuever

[Geyde]

making a bold call
I don’t think Uni is groupscum because of their interaction with Twi
It’s a chainsaw from N.1, but they really have stuck to their guns in terms of progression
Not hard sold town since they haven’t interacted with large part of game yet

Nothing choppy

[Geyde]

I’ll just call mode town
It’s probably safe enough

[Aelin]

Is it bad that Seth acting like a wolf is literally grounds for a townread?

[Aelin]

I’m starting to understand why he asked my to be his hydra partner

[CRichard564]

Seth’s behavior in this game is similar in my past two games with him and he was town in both cases.
Based on his meta, I’d say he is town.

[Geyde]

@Geyde

Voted	Voters	Votes
Zone_Q11	an_gorta_pratai	1/10
clonedcheese	CRichard564, Zone_Q11, Fossil, Wazza, Alice	5/10
Alice	Marshal, katze, PokemonKidRyan, Universal, Twil1ight, TheBlueElixir, EVO, Magnus, ModeShifter, oB_L1ght	10 /10
Currently abstaining Players	Italy, clonedcheese, SogMan	3

this is what it looks like now (+ my slot)

[Geyde]

@Aelin

Is it bad that Seth acting like a wolf is literally grounds for a townread?

possibly
I don’t try to read the slot
I let other people read it and tell me what the slot is

[Aelin]

Also, I should point out that I had my reasons for pushing Italy, but then flipping Cit makes 100% more sense.

[Aelin]

Them*

[Zone_Q11]

Welp. Alice was right yet again, and killed yet again. …TIME TO NUKE BOTH CHEESE AND EVO

/vote clonedcheese

[Geyde]

I felt like most of thread direction was being guided around by marshal, which isn’t great grounds for thread based reads
If I had to take a shot in the dark I’d say scum weren’t the main decision makers in those talks based off the people I have cleared so far

top 5 posters are pretty townie (maybe minus wazza, haven’t really read that slot) + my slot being confirmed town from my pov is an interesting look

[CRichard564]

I said it before and I’ll say it again. Italy has been LHF in every game I’ve played with him so far.

[Zone_Q11]

Also @Italy, congratulations on randing town this time.