FoL Feedback Thread

[CRichard564]

Archer converts to Arbalest no?

[DatBird]

I thought we agreed on Deagle

[Arete]

It converts to Arbalist (person who uses a crossbow)

previously it converted to Arbalest (crossbow)

[Geyde]

That’s the name of their day ability

[CRichard564]

I can see people being confused here.

[orangeandblack5]

@TheBlueElixir

Guilt aint there, promotes just killing people because you thought they were suspicious early game, generally don’t like it. Promoting nearly guiltless kills are the face of the class.

What

It literally has guilt

[anon97870008]

guilt = suicide guilt
losing your abilities isn’t really a punishment

[katze]

@anon97870008

losing your abilities isn’t really a punishment

i mean it is, archer without eagle shot isn’t exactly strong alone

but it’s less severe than suicide guilt which is how knight works in where we come from

[orangeandblack5]

Yes it is and suicide guilt only existed on Knight by virtue of not actually killing your target

The end result is 1 BD dead, but losing your follow-up shots is worse because it’s -1 BD and partial vanillaization

[anon97870008]

@orangeandblack5

Yes it is and suicide guilt only exists on Knight by virtue of not actually killing your target

you speak of the extremely old knight version?

[orangeandblack5]

@Queen_Alfa

Cold Steel (Night) - Choose a player to attack. If you kill them and they are a member of the Blue Dragon, all of your abilities will be disabled for the rest of the game. - Infinite uses

Like Archer has literally the same guilt as Knight

[orangeandblack5]

Anyways I more or less agree with TBE that Archer as implemented is kinda… meh by virtue of removing immunity not being terribly strong most of the time

[katze]

knights guilt disables defend as well

archer isnt fully vanillaized

but in practice they’re basically the same

[anon97870008]

i did totally forget that Knight guilt was removed already in fol

[orangeandblack5]

nbd

[orangeandblack5]

Like

I can see why it was done

But in the end I don’t think the trade off has been super duper worth it

[TheBlueElixir]

I am very smart

[TheBlueElixir]

I wrote a wall and just assumed it was ToL knight -timer for whe you can CS

[orangeandblack5]

gg

[TheBlueElixir]

@TheBlueElixir

• Enforcer’s Frenzy instead makes the assassin’s attack unhealable and bypass the Knight’s Defend.
  a. this allows counter play in both offensives and the King’s Guard!. Also cant kill NK. Maybe only bypasses passive death immunity if we want it to kill NK?
• Pin down now only removes death immunity(passive or granted). Can be used on two players every night, but still a max of 3 marks.
  a. Raven shot actually becomes relevant along side a few other things. First, Pin down cant be used to make bleeds unhealable. Second, it allows for Volley to actually be used, since mark two players every night, which I don’t see a current Arbalist having the time for. Third, cant strongman the prince/king without just killing healers. I see this as fine, since this convert already has potential elsewhere.

this bit still applies though

about the converts