In any case, claiming kills on your wolfbuddies isn’t a 200IQ play that most people wouldn’t do.
Wazza, I don’t think “if a wolf dies at night, a villager killed them” is really that damaging of a thing to add to the setup.
If we do decide to test removing NK buffing wolves will probably be tested at around the same time.
It’s an issue, but not prohibitive of the change.
and?
Like removing nk rly only buffs town and scum
for town it reduces kpn and for scum it limits the amount of things it dies to
Advocated for babysitter knight but everyone was super against that for ??? reasons
So
Imagine
There’s somebody not posting
What do you do since all kp has guilt mechanics
I think you made this point with consideration of worlds where nk is gone, so I don’t have a significant problem with the point you’re raising
In worlds where nk is gone, insane kp doesn’t necessitate current prince in some rands
Ok
What if
Pity conversion on n2
Guaranteed n1 is eh
As for NK
Eh sure EFoL
I personally think it’s shit, but some people still like it
You have two options
- High power rolemadness with conversion that’s inherently going to be stupidly swingy (current trajectory)
- Something else entirely
There are ways to have a swingy game that isn’t so swingy as to be literally over at the extremes
King
Prince
Conversion
High variance rands
Neutrals, in general
These are main sources of swing in current setup
Would anyone contest this
NK
NK creates dynamic in which killing them early greatly benefits town while on the opposite end cross killing creates a lot of friction in the setup
If you don’t want NK swing, you need a global rebalance since scum are much easier to take down without nk (16p removes 1 town 1 nontown kp, which is way better trade for town)
King
King is inherently swingy, but swing can probably be reduced in one of a few ways
- Have king elections be d1 or d2, no starting king
- Adjust rands to compensate (this one feels the shittiest)
- Some other way to reduce power of scum / town getting basically an additional member (with pretty decent powers to boot) [idk]
- Remove King
Prince
If you remove NK, prince can get away with being weaker
Alternatively you could rework them to be weaker and introduce a backup prince of some sort
Not seeing any great solution here
Prince is town PR in this setup, being guaranteed killer / offensive which town might need depending on the rand to actually get rid of scum
It being as powerful as it is is probably necessary as long as nk exists
Conversion
n2 pity convert
wowee
High Variance Rands
You can completely change how things are randed, but that creates different issues (see ToS [not the FM version])
Global rebalance necessary to fix
and at that point would it be fol
Neutrals, in general
extra nontown can spawn randomly wowee
this is setup design at its finest, alongside rng king
muh claim space though
literally just make all neutrals have good reasons not to claim and then you could reduce it down to one slot (so that you don’t have lolIC claims for neut)
Scum+ ability targeting
Inherent issue with having few scum who don’t have factional and instead have dedicated factional killer
Workaround with abilities to try to reduce swing of ‘immediately getting rolled if on back foot’
Scum rigidity
Reduce power spikes while increasing power floor
Consistency for conversion helps, but having some form of consistent kills (gated) might be good
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You can alternatively do a global reduction in kp to make games go longer
through stronger protection, no neutral killer, and less kp for scum/town
And as games go longer, swing is naturally going to go down as the ‘stuff’ that happens early on doesn’t end up deciding what happens later
but then you’d also need to decrease power of everything else globally
And if you remove those structural problems, suddenly your sandwich becomes a salad
not necessarily worse, but not the original thing
Yeah I don’t think it’s nearly that drastic
Things can be somewhere between “competitively balanced” and “fuck it”