FoL Feedback Thread

Geyde · November 19, 2019, 5:33pm

This
Is
Most
Important
Thing

Luxy · November 19, 2019, 5:33pm

18 players is the solution to this IMO

Game is too high powered for a 16er

Icibalus · November 19, 2019, 5:33pm

And the average player makes both good and bad shots as vig, so why would they want to improve if they know faliure is harshly punished if they fail to improve?

Geyde · November 19, 2019, 5:34pm

You roll knight
Suddenly it’s optimal play to CS n2/n3

Icibalus · November 19, 2019, 5:36pm

If we’re talking about vig guilt being good because it discourages yolo shots, it also discourages people from getting better at the game because it breeds a culture of failure being a one-way ticket to deadsville, and thus makes people not want to bother improving.

Which is a pity, because becoming at least decent at mafia is one of the most fun things i’ve done in the past few years, and I think games are always more fun when you have more engaged, fun, skilled players.

anon97870008 · November 19, 2019, 5:38pm

Okay… yolo killing BD is apparently considered as “good way to get better in the game”… argh.

Icibalus · November 19, 2019, 5:39pm

Unfortunately, it is. People are a lot better at recognising why the flipped villager they killed is a villager, which helps them understand what to look for.

Kape · November 19, 2019, 5:39pm

Knight CS reworked into
CS (inf use) Kill your target, you will have to additionally provide a 500 word essay on why you believe they are evil. The host will decide if your reasoning is valid. If you CS a BD or your reasoning is considered invalid you will commit suicide and the players will freely able to call you a moron.

There, balanced around good players.

Solic · November 19, 2019, 5:40pm

I’d make Archer plainly redirect immune then too instead of conditional on multishot. Both Alcholic and Wench have limited abilities to deal with them still and Invoker can occupy. Just Warlock would be shafted here, but I think that’s kind of fine, considering they are already +1 for evil faction.

It also differentiates them with other BD killers.

Still have another idea, but I’ll wait once I’m home in a day or so to share.

Icibalus · November 19, 2019, 5:40pm

Let people make mistakes, and let them learn from them.

anon97870008 · November 19, 2019, 5:40pm

Let not encourage people to make mistakes ^^

Solic · November 19, 2019, 5:41pm

Buttttt

Host bias.

Icibalus · November 19, 2019, 5:41pm

I’m not encouraging people to make mistakes by removing guilt.

anon97870008 · November 19, 2019, 5:42pm

Suicide guilt is basically: “Think about your actions, don’t kill blindly, only kill when you are really really sure”

Icibalus · November 19, 2019, 5:42pm

You know what else is? the threat of killing a fucking villager

anon97870008 · November 19, 2019, 5:43pm

You know what happens in real, when you don’t have guilt? You just policy kill people

Icibalus · November 19, 2019, 5:43pm

and then being alive to have all your fellow villagers yell at you for making a bad shot

anon97870008 · November 19, 2019, 5:43pm

“encouraging toxicity”

Solic · November 19, 2019, 5:44pm

Honestly, without guilt, Knight would just CS everytime over defend.

And it’d be broken as hell.

I don’t love guilt as a mechanic, but it’s in ToL and I’m honestly 50/50 on it.

Icibalus · November 19, 2019, 5:45pm

literally not the point
i’m trying to illustrate why your argument dosen’t work because the argument extends to defending any practise if it discourages making bad shots