FoL Feedback Thread

[katze]

yes

@Marluxion

IF A PLAYER IS SUCCESSFULLY BLED

“You are bleeding! If you are not healed, you will die in two nights!”

[Arete]

@Queen_Alfa

Dark Gods Crown Effects:
Seeker - You learn of the players class type.
Cabalist - If the targeted player is not cult, they will lose all uses in their limited usage abilities
Ritualist - You will prevent visits to the player.
Invoker - The player will be occupied.
Apostle - The player will be given incorrect feedback for their ability tonight.
Acolyte - The player will be unable to be healed for the night.
Cult Leader - The player will be framed.
Devout King - The player will be bled sometime during the next day.

As far as I know Dark God’s Crown + Cabalist is the only effect currently in FoL that can create this effect

This means that DGCing a Cabalist corpse immediately outs the Devout King as such

This seems suboptimal

Should we change this to not immediately out the King

[Marshal]

Couldn’t it be used on cult as a way to out to them with a drawback

[katze]

@Arete

Should we change this to not immediately out the Cabalist

maybe have the ability silently fail?

although i guess its pretty evident with certain abilities

[orangeandblack5]

@NuclearBurrito

I’ve never heard a good argument for why Prince gets so much special treatment when it comes to occupy immunity.

It’s not a fundamental part of the game like the King or Conversion is.

It isn’t particularity swingy considering that occupying a Knight’s cold steel is considered perfectly ok.

And most importantly him not being immune nerfs mass claiming since even if you can coordinate supports to prevent him from dying he’s still kept in check by the possibility of being occupied. As it is now the only possible way to deal with a Prince is by Killing him, which if he is outed has far too much risk to do any time soon.

You want to stop mass claim meta? Removing Prince’s occupy immunity is a good step.

Found this while digging through old posts about Solic

+1

[NuclearBurrito]

For the record the post still hold true in it’s entirety for both ToL and FoL

[anon97870008]

@Geyde
If you want no D1 claim meta, anticlaim mechanics will accomplish nothing. Especially not Mindflayer (its still confusing why this wallpost of a class was even added)

[Luxy]

Because Mind Flayer is my baby

[anon97870008]

Can you explain that class to me? I’m still confused as heck

[Luxy]

It kills people who claim

[Geyde]

@anon97870008

@ARegular
If you want no D1 claim meta, anticlaim mechanics will accomplish nothing. Especially not Mindflayer (its still confusing why this wallpost of a class was even added)

:^)

[katze]

@anon97870008

anticlaim mechanics will accomplish nothing

it depends on how they’re treated

the only real anticlaim in FoL is Inq and Mind Flayer

inq has a 4/15 (26% chance) chance to spawn every game (50% chance of 2nd neut, 1/6(1/2(1/5)))
mind flayer has a 1/5 chance to spawn (20% chance)

inq isn’t inherently anti-bd either, and if heretics are still aware of their heresy - isn’t even good anticlaim

so, if my 5:30AM math is correct, ~60% of FoL games will have no forms of anticlaim

is it really that effective?

[anon97870008]

It’s half a year since I hosted my last one.
I’ll have to look what changed.

@Queen_Alfa

The Mind Flayer

Neutral Killer
Insanity (Passive) - You are immune to death at night, occupation and redirection. You are immune to bleeding, and will be informed if attempted to be bled.
Mindstorm (Passive) - Once per night you may guess a player’s class. If you are correct you will empower your attack Brain Destruction to bypass protections. You will gain a one-night buff depending on the class type of the player in question. All players you correctly guess with this ability will have their votes negated on you silently. This passive will be disabled if you guess incorrectly twice. Cannot Target the King, nor can target the same person after a successful guess.
Insight (Day) - Gain a clue to your target’s class type. You receive the same results as princess. - 4 Uses
Mind Read (Day) - You will see who your target visits tonight. - 4 Uses
Brain Destruction (Night) - Kill a player. You will be able to choose who they target tonight, bypassing redirection immunity. You may not redirect the King. - Infinite Uses
Whispers of Insanity (Night) - Cause a player to commit suicide, destroying their logs and allowing you to determine what they flip as the next day. You will receive their real class and their logs. - 1 Use
Possible Buffs Gained:

• Killer: Gain an addition use of Whispers of Insanity.
• Offensive: You will occupy everyone visiting you, bypassing occupy immunity.
• Support: You will heal yourself tomorrow night, curing infection and bleed.
• Social: You will be guaranteed to visit your target.
• Investigative: All uses of Insight and Mind Read will be replenished. Your visits will be hidden from Investigators.
• Special: You will appear as the class of your choice to investigators.

Your objective is to defeat the Blue Dragon, Unseen, Cult and any neutrals that dare stand in your way.

Which kinds of protections are getting bypassed?
Can you explain killer buff to me, it sounds almost 100% useless if I run it as written.

[Geyde]

Strengthens itself when correctly guessing claims, effectively making claiming dangerous in that it can enable the nk to kill whoever they want

[Geyde]

@anon97870008

Which kinds of protections are getting bypassed?
Can you explain killer buff to me, it sounds almost 100% useless if I run it as written.

Healing
Knight Guard
King guard

[anon97870008]

Yea this wont stop people from claiming at all since you cannot know that this NK is rolled on D1 when you massclaim

[anon97870008]

So, hes not bypassing occupations and preventions, right?
(okay he’s already occimmune, but preventions are important)

[Geyde]

That seems like a players problem
It’s potentially dangerous and claiming on d1 often doesn’t help bd to solve well unless like 6 invests are rolled

[Geyde]

Not bypassing visit prevention

[katze]

@Queen_Alfa

Support: You will heal yourself tomorrow night, curing infection and bleed.

why does this still exist on a bleed immune NK