I currently have “E4 -> Ke2” because that is objectively the best option
However I suppose I can change it to the next best to help it pull ahead of the only objectively awful choice
Hey, let’s merge a specialised version of the game with the normal game type. That works.
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I was thinking about stuff™ and I think FoL’s biggest problem is still the just disgusting amount of swing there is.
I have a few big, but not totally game-breaking suggestions to fix this.
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Delete NK. Get rid of it. purge it from the universe. A high power 3p SK who’s kills can dictate who wins and who loses is not something that should exist. NK killing wolves early can severely cripple them, or killing important town PRs can just shred one side’s chances of winning. It needs to go, it sucks really, really hard for balance.
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Make conversions guaranteed and consistent. Missing/gaining conversions is another huge factor towards swing. Conversion is killing a townie and gaining a member, missing that is very crippling for the scumteam. My proposition is that both mastermind and cult leader get a “ranked” conversion. A.K.A, the converter submits a ranked list of people who they want to convert, and the highest convertable person gets converted. Obviously this is a fairly big buff, so some balance would be needed to balance this out, but I think making conversions far more consistent is vital to eliminating swing. It now makes conversion protection less so “let’s try to stop the conversion from happening” and more becoming “I am protecting this person from conversion. I know that if they are town, they will stay as town”. Still important, but it eliminates the swing from not only wolves missing conversions, but also GK randing and it’s use of fealty, or EK randing and scum having a huge buff just because they don’t have fealty.
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Cut the power level of prince. I know that it’s important but prince is basically a 2nd yeet if used correctly, and very often the deciding factor in the game. Prince dying early fucks over town, and removes the option to jail and execute outted scum slots while the execution is focused on clearing out other people. Seeing as it stops, like, all actions, prince being able to be used on an outted MM for example is super important. Prince needs to have 1 exe. That’s it. After that it’s just a powerful jailkeeper. It makes royal blood on the prince actually maybe positive utility (and not just a means for scum to lolkingprince if town don’t coordinate king votes correctly). Mercy on prince can stay with 1 exe I think, it has niche utility even if it’s not used much now because prince is a KP machine.
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Remove bounty. Fuck bounty. It’s not even all that swingy but holy shit it sucks, I have ideas for noble reworks in general beyond removing bounty, but that’s not what i’m here to do.
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WHY. just WHY is knight killing attackers. Holy fuck dude elite bodyguard is so broken. Change that, like, right now. A knight succesfully getting a defend is like, actually game-winning. It shouldn’t be that. That’s not right.
I’m not on the FoL balance team, I know what y’all have to go through, and i’m not going to be added back because in all honesty I think that saying this here or there will have about the same effect.
but please like, consider some of the things here. It will make FoL way way more enjoyable and not the unsatisfactory button clicking machine that it is right now.
And won’t compromise too much of the general idea of “Fm with ToL roles” because we are already past the point of it being true to ToL.
I think FoL will probably still, like, not be great
but
This should help to reduce the swing FoL faces
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NK killing groupscum n1 (not even a conscious kill, the GS visiting a pgo-ized target), conversion failing, and then groupscum getting exed d2 should not be happening
This is an extreme
but also happened in my first ever gs game, and like, sucked a lot.
if I need to go back on the FoL balance team to really campaign for these changes then I’ll consider it
but I think that this can be talked about here
i saw delete NK and was expecting marson
but instead i got a legitimately good post
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I have my own like, qualms about how FoL balance is handled
Mainly that the FoL balance team is way too big and it is in the end basically just geyde doing things with a few suggestions thrown at him
People come in with good ideas but nothing ever… happens
My other qualm is that, well, nothing really gets done.
We all recognize that FoL is deeply flawed but I feel like nobody wants to actually do the scary things like delet NK. We all sit around and spend 50 posts talking about what to do with alchemist and why FoL is bad
I don’t think I actually did much of anything while on the team and I don’t really think much gets done
this isn’t supposed to be a hate post, more of a post expressing my thoughts on why FoL is not great and is staying that way, and also kind of a request for people to make bigger things on bigger changes
because like
Right now FoL is a few small improvements being made to a flawed game. I kind of want like actual changes to happen but those seem to come once in a blue moon
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imo
fol rn is one giant house of cards
Removing NK is taking a fan to that house of cards.
While i am in favor of removing nk i just don’t think it’s the right move with the current state of fol
what if we tried it in an EFoL and if it goes badly we don’t do it
thinking face
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Not official polls, I just want people’s thoughts on my ideas and community feedback to these things
Delete NK
- support
- Do not support
0 voters
Guaranteed conversions (By way of list)
- Support
- Do not support
0 voters
Cut Prince power level
- Support
- Do not support
0 voters
Remove or rework bounty
- Support
- Do not support
0 voters
Rework Knight
- Support
- Do not support
0 voters
I would just vote with my alts
I think its better if ppl can share their opinions publicly
so we can actually like, talk about it
not much will come out of anonymity imo
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also why do people not support the guaranteed conversions thang
because, like, that is probably the one I think is best for reducing swing minus delet NK
people behave differently when they believe they are being watched
people tend to be more honest when anon
I think it’s better for public discourse being public
I agree with you but people also have the option of not answering and I think the benefits of knowing who thinks what outweigh the drawbacks of some people not feeling comfortable voting because I think that number is probably quite low in the end, that is if it is a number at all
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