[FoL] FoL 21 - End Game Discussion Topic

In short, as a wolf rather than focusing on not getting lynched try focusing on getting villagers lynched. Build cases from their misplays and slips and push them. Build worlds where you’re village and they’re wolves and present them why your target is likely to flip W.

As village you should rely on the most likely outcome rather than chance, but still keeping the unlikely as a possibility. As a wolf, try making a case on why the unlikely is likely and then push it as truth.

I dont even know when this scum quiet part happened tbh, I think it happened after my fifth game or something

I see… I think I get it

See in that match where Alice somehow made people believe that there was a Possessor to make Bazinga’s red check look tailored based on framing Blizer’s progression as a contradiction.

oh my god

why Hadn’t I notice that before

I should try making plausible worlds… I see

The only thing I tried was possibility of Fool/Scorned, but it wasn’t concrete enough (didn’t link to frames of others or frame another as baddie), now I see…

you ever have that galaxy brain moment

fliptailoring is one of the simplest bastard roles to put into your game since it exploits the design space that being able to openly lie as mod allows while at the same time it requires a lot of skill from the wolves to use properly

it’s desperately underused as a method of wolfing here, though, because most killable targets don’t have reads that can be framed as spew

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like if you’re just making a villager flip as wolf you’re using it wrong
the ideal way to use a fliptailor is to make it look like that person’s reads have spewed several members of your wolfteam as village

it’s also an extremely viable method of antispew, where you give up the massive offensive capabilities it has to stop a wolf who will spew several villagers upon their flip from flipping properly, which might be just enough to win you the game.

This has been your official “ici multiposts about fliptailors for 4 minutes”, thank you for coming to my TED talk

I actually never considered that before

I’m probably like… Level 1 in reading?

There wasn’t even a fliptailor in that match and Alice made it look like the NK was one of them meanwhile being universally townread while also avoiding being lynched despite the sheer amount of redchecks on them and could have won based on how convincing their Priest claim had they not been modkilled.

Meanwhile you had Wazza and Possessed who did nothing despite being part of a multi-man wolfteam with Shurian on their side and got chain-lynched d2 and d3.

This is part on why wolves are doing so bad in this site as you have very few people like Alice and Firekitten that can effectively manipulate and play around reads and mechanical information with that level of efficiency.

see, I can get myself villageread easily as wolf but I need to learn how to create a convincing narrative to exploit my early thread position. really what needs to be done is for people to not just know how to be a good wolf but to be actually practically good at wolfing as well

I can safely say a lot of people here have a good amount of experience in either A. Practical wolving and B. Theoretical wolving but usually not a mix of both

I would love to have proper coaching in how to be an effective villager during the day.

My night actions are spiffy but my time during the day… Level 0 Town is a nickname I give myself for a reason.

I agree with this concept to an extent. The problem comes when you have a deepwolf who makes the unlikely seem the likeliest and build wrong worlds off that.

See the bomb game here.

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Use Scorned to make someone flip as Scorned :^)

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I think the problem with things like Scorned in this setup is that because logs are a thing, it’s a whole lot less effective since people can just read the logs and be like “well this flip doesn’t make any sense”.

Most logs here are just people posting their night actions. Flipping a V as W wouldn’t be that out of place.

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It is when wolves commonly don’t submit logs.