[FoL] FoL23 - Day 4 - The Unseen and the Fool win!

[Alice]

Odds of a player being Unseen.

[Maxwell]

You’re saying if he’s unseen, eevee or geyde coached him to pull this stunt?

[Maxwell]

No way he’d do it on his own as such a newbie

[Htm]

Do you think it would be beneficial for town to lynch even if you are somehow town?

(Ik these questions are weird but let me do them, kk?)

[Alice]

Yeah, I see this coming from Eevee far more than Geyde, though.

[Maxwell]

Of course.
Eevee has a whole magical closet of various baffling strategies to try as scum.

[Maxwell]

I have been on the receiving end of quite a few of them.
Only thwarted a couple.

[Maxwell]

If we want to chain jail or chain occupy DatBird, we should start pondering alternative lynch targets for today.

[Htm]

I have one question: why would his partner coach him to do that??

[SirDerpsAlot]

I don’t think it would be benefit them. It would be a waste of a town kill lowering the numbers of town a support in specific. As well as that, I would like to say once more I belive that the biggest reason you all suspect me is for saying cult a few times. Unless this sheriff is lying then we have a confirmed unseen game.

[Kape]

To attract attention to himself rather than MM/Assa + Convert?

[Htm]

I am not saying it’s impossible but why

[SirDerpsAlot]

Thats what Im pretty sure the biggest reason im suspected is at least

[Maxwell]

because then the other unseen can attack him for free when things go wrong

[Geyde]

Dat ISO

@DatBird

@Alice

Hey Kape, do you think this is a Cult or Unseen game?

Solid intro, I always liked this question on kings, puts pressure onto them. I have seen her do it before as town but I would say its non allignment indicative

@Alice

So, who wants to bet that I’ll do something stupid n1 like vig’ing the Prince again?

I like the meme, but as Arete said it could be used a cover later. Just be watchful for any CW slips

@Alice

Tbh, I did it because I had a tinfoil on Priestess/Possessed being the starting scumteam. Since Priestess isn’t playing I can’t lockscum her d1 anymore, so this should be less of a hassle.

It’s interesting that see says she lockscums Priestess. She was town at that point, I wonder if she will lock on to someone else again.

@Alice

IIRC, that’s actually possible with an Invoker using Bewilder on a Prince before they jail anyone.

Interesting knowledge about interactions but not moving game forward

@Alice

Well, she was talking about helping a Scorned, wanted to keep Poss alive even were he evil, and wanted Jake to be executed even though I correctly read him as LHF, so yeah.

Previous game logic…

@Alice

Disagree when it comes to this part.

A common tell for newbie wolves is to do stuff such as prodding inactive in order to make it look like they’re doing something when in reality prodding inactives doesn’t advance the gamestate

Considering I do it most games as either allignment its NAI at least for me. But genuinely scum do try to act like they are doing things but in reality dont accomplish much

@Alice

…why is HTM repeating Kape?

I thought he was a sheep, not a parrot

It was weird that HTM did kinda just repeat the same question

@Alice

@Geyde

Where would you put Poss’ skill level when it comes to wolfing?

Question about skill…

@Alice

So far I’m not seeing any tonal gaps from him, so this should be a good look for Poss.

Agree Poss looks to be rather towny so far

@Alice

WIFOM is a thing.

Try to look into his motivations and whatnot

@Alice

For now I’m kind of giving him the same pass as Jake in the last game. Soul’s attracting way too much attention to himself.

Would chalk this unlikely to be group scum, and very unlikely to be the NK.

Yeah right now Souls way more active compared to Luigis. That like one game I remember with him. I would chalk him to be most likely town

@Alice

And where would I be? OwO

@Alice

Just chatting in Discord rn.

Don’t think Poss nor Soul are likely wolf candidates

Restating the same thing

@Alice

Poss’ tone fits well with his town tone.

Soul’s attracting way too much attention to himself and he’s typically a reserved player.

And again

@Alice

Solid Town Read: Alice/Geyde

FTR, you should never put a high-level such as Geyde or me as a Solid TR earlier on. Players at this level can fake tone, solving, and pretty much most things with ease

Already talked about this one

@Alice

If you were scum, I probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference

Explain this post in greater detail?

Did this lead to anything I will have to check after this because mobile is the worst best.

@Alice

Tbh, lurkers should be checked rather than lynched.

Policy lynches for afks are usually never needed. Give them time they will either show up or just be replaced if it’s that big of a problem

TLDR other than the prince meme not getting the scum vibes Arete was mentioning.

@DatBird

@Htm

I have seen her do it as scum before so most likely NAI

What game just so I can do a bit of reading

@Htm

I was pinging Arete so he could see it, the first post with the question didn’t have a ping

I guess… but I agree with Geyde on that common tactic of why are you scum is just boring and doesnt ever get good responses. At least do the Meteoro fake red check

@Arete

So the thing is, every individual post is fine. Taken as a collective, even, there’s nothing actively bad about them. They just lack the quality of analysis/providing of reads that I expect from Alice.

That’s fair. We are still early, if it doesnt pick up that’s when you should be worried imo

@DatBird

@Htm

Also I’m going to crazily go and slight townlean Dat as according to meta, most of the time he ISOs is when he is town and he did do it with Alice

I do it as both. Check NFOL and Bloodmoon

@Htm

I’m realizing that town Dat is usually more active and slightly less fluff compared to scum Dat

Day did start at a shit time for me. Was just arriving home then watched a movie my family rented and went to bed after that. Once I get to work I can most likely be more active as long as it’s not a meeting heavy day.

@Ozzkozz

Sorry for speaking so late. What did I miss?

Doesnt seem like anyone addressed him so @Ozzkozz catch up yourself and then come back and join the discussion

@Lymphoma

Explain acting protown

Reminder @Lymphoma you can condense all of this catching up and responding to people, in one post. Cause litterally I think you had like 10 messages in a row

@Lymphoma

alice and geyde for posting a lot

Posting a lot doesnt mean towniness. Just that they are active, and good scum can post just as much as any town

@DatBird

Can I ask why you put Ozzkozz as potential scum. they have had one post, and dont get me wrong it was just asking wht was going on, but i dont know if I would scumread a new fm player this fast

@DatBird

So a common thing I have noticed is that everyone says SirDerpsAlot is scum. SO heres a wuick run through of things i noticed

@SirDerpsAlot

I would prefer not to sway either way day one, I think its a little too easy to put on an act from the start.

So failure to want to give opinions is very weird. I get it, its day 1, people dont really do much in TOL day1 but people can catch whole scum teams day 1 in FOL. So opinons matter, so dont be afraid to give them.

@SirDerpsAlot

because Im bd

honestly without reavling your class the best defense on why you arent scum is this answer. Thats why the Why are you scum question is heavily flawed

@SirDerpsAlot

what I wanna know is what NK we have

NK is a weird thing to be talking about Day 1. Like realistically you leave them alone til scum teams gone or if u have no better lynches, because they need to take shots at both sides if they want a chance to live.

@SirDerpsAlot

I’m not sure about cult yet though,

seeing as how he said it was a unseen game earlier, I dont think this man knows what game it actually is. That or hes trying to cover up the unseen thing

@SirDerpsAlot

’ll read through them in the morning, I’m too tired to concentrate that hard atm. Most people are gone so I’ll probably head to bed now as well

@SirDerpsAlot have you done this yet?

@DatBird

@SirDerpsAlot

unseen because unseen is more fun

@SirDerpsAlot

I’m not sure about cult yet though

@SirDerpsAlot

I’m just half asleep and playing a cult game

@SirDerpsAlot

With any luck it’ll end up being unseen confirmed

at least the 2nd and the 4th one he seems to be mentioning the scum faction in general instead of just of saying cult specifically. I dont know, maybe he knows but Im not sold that this is a scum slip

@DatBird

So lets say SirDerps is in a similiar situation, neither him or his scum buddy are communicating. Like maybe he wasnt prompted to not speak of their allignment. Like not every scum team is coordinated, not every scum team has a plan to know what they do. Some are just thrown in mama bird styled and see if they fly. Its not ideal, but it happens. I know thats how my first three were. It sucks, I want to see more but imo its either a uncoordinated team or just VI

@DatBird

@Alice

For now I’m kind of giving him the same pass as Jake in the last game. Soul’s attracting way too much attention to himself.

Would chalk this unlikely to be group scum, and very unlikely to be the NK

Maybe a hunter play trying to attract attention and night actions.

@Alice

FTR, you should never put a high-level such as Geyde or me as a Solid TR earlier on. Players at this level can fake tone, solving, and pretty much most things with ease.

That’s why I always keep yall in Null until you prove yourselves.

@Geyde

I feel like Soul wouldn’t be actually contributive as scum based on my prior experience with their scumgame.

Luigis Mansion would like to agree to this

@Maxwell

Lymphoma is a newbie so if they were actually scum, I

Lymphoma has supposedly played on another forum so dont be so lenient on their abilities.

@DatBird

@Arete

Teleology: Still a null read, but I’ve played ToL with her before and the lack of activity surprises me more than it were to come from someone else

Reminder that people got IRL stuff, game might have just started at a bad time for them. I know it started right as we put a movie on at my house. But thanks for the meta for the new player.

@Arete

The comment about making another mistake on the caliber of trying to shoot the Prince makes me wonder if it’s an attempt to provide cover for future slips,

I took that as a meme, but it is best to be weary in case.

[Maxwell]

if the other unseen are confident in their abilities, it could work

[Htm]

@SirDerpsAlot

As well as that, I would like to say once more I belive that the biggest reason you all suspect me is for saying cult a few times. Unless this sheriff is lying then we have a confirmed unseen game.

Ooh this is interesting

What if Sir told Ozz to do that to save him from death?

[Geyde]

Time to start digging

[Possessed]

@Alice

…we shouldn’t waste the bounty on Derp.

So we lynch a potential town over assassin?

[SirDerpsAlot]

My brain is not that big good sir