[FoL] Forum of Lies 27 - 10 day FoL (2/18) - Blue Dragon win

Vulgard · April 8, 2020, 9:44pm

I ISOd your d1 here and in Evolution Mafia side by side in the allies chat and found a similar pattern. You pushed some people early because you didn’t like the fact they were townread by meta, then you were suspected for the push, then you got heated over your push target being cleared by meta, then you started AtEing. You hit all of these major points in Evolution Mafia and you did the exact same thing here. I can repost this in the main thread, although it likely won’t be the exact same, since I don’t think I’m allowed to copy stuff from allies chat anymore.

Also, you don’t do this as a villager. You defend yourself as a villager. You read your accusers. And I can quote posts in your V games where you do this.

Looks at Allies chat
Um.

Why does everybody think me or Alice was converted?

Marshal · April 8, 2020, 9:44pm

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

answer vul

Marshal · April 8, 2020, 9:45pm

who else besides chloe or me would be LMAO

Vulgard · April 8, 2020, 9:45pm

This question doesn’t do anything for me because I don’t want to preflip any of derps/braixen. Individually they’ve been outside of lockvillage territory for me.

Marshal · April 8, 2020, 9:46pm

ok but humor me

what are your thoughts if it is
say they both died rn and flipped v. Who do you suspect

Amelia · April 8, 2020, 9:46pm

Vote count

Votee	Voted by	Votes
Braixen	SirDerpsAlot, Alice	2/9
Marshal	Vulgard, Possessed, EVO	3/9
Alice	Braixen	1/9
EVO	Marshal	1/9
Ami	Napoleon	1/9
Chloe	DryBones	1/9

pretty sure this is the actual VC, but I’m on a phone

Alice · April 8, 2020, 9:47pm

It’s basically because of your SoC posts there. D1 your posts didn’t feel like actual thoughts at all and the effort there was pretty… bad, to put it bluntly. In allies chat I got a better feel as you actually put a decent amount of work there and I had a better idea on how your thought process went.

When was his last game as a wolf? His tone here looks very carefree while I shelved it in town as in his last wolf game in my memory he had a harder time posting.

Marshal · April 8, 2020, 9:48pm

sfol 58 iirc

Alice · April 8, 2020, 9:48pm

Has he been fighting against clears here as well? Only one I’ve seen so far is that he refuses to consider the possibility that Luxy was a GK.

Vulgard · April 8, 2020, 9:48pm

Nobody specific? They are easy to push here regardless of one’s alignment. If anything, I’d be suspicious of competent villagers who I previously read village and who still pushed on one or both of the slots without re-evaluating. But that’s an imaginary scenario and I don’t like imaginary scenarios unless I’m forced to plan way ahead.

Vulgard · April 8, 2020, 9:49pm

Against clearing his push target, yes.

Vulgard · April 8, 2020, 9:49pm

Technically Evolution Mafia, but he replaced out.
Also Virtuous was recent and he was alive in there for a while.

Vulgard · April 8, 2020, 9:53pm

There’s something here I don’t really understand. Possessed was widely wolfread yesterday, some people advocated for a jail on him and maybe even an execution. Yet now, after he was jailed and we’re missing a nightkill, nobody wants to wagon him despite the fact I’ve been advocating for it?

Something’s off.

Vulgard · April 8, 2020, 9:54pm

It’s as if he were modpeeked as BD at SoD. I don’t get it.

Marshal · April 8, 2020, 9:54pm

i want him gone but when i do he calls me a lazy bad player

Marshal · April 8, 2020, 9:54pm

it hurts my feelings less to wagon evo and it’s like only a few hours away from SoD so i value my feelings over starting that wagon

Vulgard · April 8, 2020, 9:55pm

For some reason I find the above post wolfy af.

Marshal · April 8, 2020, 9:55pm

why

Wazza · April 8, 2020, 9:56pm

My gut feeling is strange with you, Vulgard.

Your posts read as Towny to me but my gut is telling me otherwise.

Why shouldn’t I bleed you today?

Alice · April 8, 2020, 9:56pm

Vulgard:

Chloe:

Vulgard obvtown himself in allies chat.

I know you’ve been reading me V for a while, but I would like to know why Allies chat specifically did it for you.

Napoleon:

Two main reasons TBH:

I’ve had difficulty in organizing scumreads so last night I decided to re-eval clean. I’m still leaning Alice town because I don’t think she would necessarily be that bold and I did agree with her point that it seemed sort of strange that she was the consensus townread. With that said, back on point, I’ve found several people more townie than you which is why I have them higher up my “Alice list” which I had constructed last night.

I don’t really know how to read you that well but I think I trust Alice’s “soulread” on you which is why I think you have decent scum equity here.

I also voted you to create a counterwagon. I also had the feeling that there is a deepwolf somewhere that’s infiltrated our towncore because the scumread list felt too consensus. I’m creating this counter wagon to see who votes on it tbh. I acknowledge that DryBones/Braixen is likely not W/W.

There is a deepwolf candidate that I have in mind but I want to hold it for now until I see what happening. I’m liking some of the interactions I’m seeing right now tbh and I will probably come out with it soon.

ChopChop:

Over CRichard564?

My suspect that I have yet to announce is related to this. But to put it out short, I think the bleed on Luxy was legitimate based on his reaction to it. On the contrary, while I initially suspected CRichard to be the likely bleeder, I don’t think his reaction is any way signatory of that. Also he’s directly in his town meta and is playing like a typical ToL townie. Also, I don’t think that even in ToL, they are the type of person to really bleed King that early, knowing from how it’s related to this.

I think it’s more likely that DryBones/Braixen isn’t W/W and I want to see who votes on each wagon since you both are in my scumreads, albeit individually.

I don’t think Napoleon writes this post as a wolf. It contains too many thoughts which are disconnected from one another and there is a healthy amount of solvey motivation / uncertainty here. From my experience Napoleon does not weigh his options nearly as much as a wolf and ends up being more certain with less volume.

Comparing that post with this where he was a wolf in SFoL58.
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/sfol-sfol-58-virtuous-ii-return-of-the-fallen-finale-day-5-4-16-imperial-triumph-the-hand-of-byzantium-the-fool-and-the-strigoi-win/80549/857?u=alice

He was frequently struggling to make conclusions there, here he looks to be speaking out his thoughts more openly and whatnot. I’m strengthening my V-read on him atp.