[FoL] Forum of Lies 27 - 10 day FoL (2/18) - Blue Dragon win

[Amelia]

Votes for a new king are done in your class card

[Vulgard]

Third thing. We have King elections. Who are you electing?

[ChopChop]

@Vulgard

Second thing: Possessed is just a goddamn wolf. Like, really. He wasn’t pushed at all yesterday, he’s not being pushed today, despite having a bad day 1. He’s being given a free pass for no reason and you guys are focusing on the person who’s had the purest reads this game.

I think your scum Tbh.

[Vulgard]

So are you guys going to evaluate and read people or are you just going to tunnel?

[Vulgard]

I don’t give a fuck. Start thinking. Stop tunneling.

[Chloe]

Sure i can read people.

Lemme grab my reasoning for voting Napoleon above anyone else who is alive.

[Possessed]

@Vulgard

So are you guys going to evaluate and read people or are you just going to tunnel?

@Vulgard

Second thing: Possessed is just a goddamn wolf. Like, really. He wasn’t pushed at all yesterday, he’s not being pushed today, despite having a bad day 1. He’s being given a free pass for no reason and you guys are focusing on the person who’s had the purest reads this game.

[Marshal]

unseen and unseen only?

[Vulgard]

Napoleon is out of his wolfrange, and as such, never a wolf here.

[Italy]

evo was dead silent in jail
but i was really afraid to hit the shiny button

[ChopChop]

@Vulgard

I don’t give a fuck. Start thinking. Stop tunneling.

I am thinking.
You have the highest chance to flip Scum.
If you don’t flip scum, that’s where Possessed will be Roleblocked and questioned by yours truley and Hopfully the new king.

[ChopChop]

@Italy

evo was dead silent in jail
but i was really afraid to hit the shiny button

Yes as I said.
It’s probably just EVO and Vulgard.
They both refuse to claim.

[Chloe]

Napoleon

Claims Noble

Actions
n1 - Bounty Ami |
n2 - Bounty Vul? | Is in Allies chat

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• EVO

@Napoleon

There’s no way EVO should be jailed. This is coming from someone who had scumslipped and someone who is also not a consensus townread.

Based on his D2, I’m fairly certain that EVO is Town, he’s playing active and aggressive while as a wolf he typically likes to sit back and blend in. I don’t see it.

• CRich

Evil

• DryBones (before claim)

Details

@Napoleon

Two main reasons TBH:

1. I’ve had difficulty in organizing scumreads so last night I decided to re-eval clean. I’m still leaning Alice town because I don’t think she would necessarily be that bold and I did agree with her point that it seemed sort of strange that she was the consensus townread. With that said, back on point, I’ve found several people more townie than you which is why I have them higher up my “Alice list” which I had constructed last night.
2. I don’t really know how to read you that well but I think I trust Alice’s “soulread” on you which is why I think you have decent scum equity here.
3. I also voted you to create a counterwagon. I also had the feeling that there is a deepwolf somewhere that’s infiltrated our towncore because the scumread list felt too consensus. I’m creating this counter wagon to see who votes on it tbh. I acknowledge that DryBones/Braixen is likely not W/W.

There is a deepwolf candidate that I have in mind but I want to hold it for now until I see what happening. I’m liking some of the interactions I’m seeing right now tbh and I will probably come out with it soon.

@ChopChop

Over CRichard564?

My suspect that I have yet to announce is related to this. But to put it out short, I think the bleed on Luxy was legitimate based on his reaction to it. On the contrary, while I initially suspected CRichard to be the likely bleeder, I don’t think his reaction is any way signatory of that. Also he’s directly in his town meta and is playing like a typical ToL townie. Also, I don’t think that even in ToL, they are the type of person to really bleed King that early, knowing from how it’s related to this.

I think it’s more likely that DryBones/Braixen isn’t W/W and I want to see who votes on each wagon since you both are in my scumreads, albeit individually.

• Chloe -> scum to town

@Napoleon

• Chloe has been trying to solve for the MM 2nd ability slot, which I don’t like, because it implies TMI and it isn’t too useful especially D1
• I think the purpose of the bleed was to frame CRichard, and you did shade him for that Chloe.

@Napoleon

I thought Chloe would be the most likely candidate to bleed Luxy because:

• At the beginning, she put a lot of effort into trying to mech deduce for MM yet the game is still unconfirmed which implied TMI for me
• Luxy/Gpxyx bleed was probably real. I’m almost certain about that
• CRichard was the first person to come to mind when the bleed happened. I think he wasn’t the bleeder based on his posts and he earned quite a bit of shade. He’s in this townmeta as well. I think this was an attempt to frame him.
• Someone with ToL experience would IMO be more likely to do this, knowing that in ToL, bleeding King d2 is more acceptable and could serve as another subconscious reason to bleed CRichard
• Chloe shaded CRichard for being responsible for the bleed.

I checked some other games to see if Chloe could replicate her Day 1 behavior (FoL26) and though she was Sellsword that game, I don’t think she could safely be cleared for being “in her townmeta”

@Napoleon

Ngh I’m not sure if Chloe is scum anymore … I ISO’ed Chloe on my own and her tone feels towny, she’s making it hard for me to scumread her…

@Napoleon

And I initially had a case against Chloe being possible groupscum (persumably Unseen with TMI) but I think Braixen slipping and Chloe’s Day 2 make that more unlikely.

@Napoleon

Yeah and I think I trust Chloe more now so it’s not likely that katze was defiled, but his death immunity was ignored somehow and that implies that there is a Warlock… I don’t see why any scum would strongman katze here.

• Marshal

@Napoleon

I am slight scumreading Marshal now but I scumread them because I’m not sure whether their “reaction test” was fake. katze flipping Scorned despite death immunity is suspicious and either that is a Carnage-empowered attack or that was some sort of disguise (I would guess Possessor). I think katze is more likely an NK target though but Marshal already sorta softed D1 and I think their claim will help resolve their slot. I tried looking at this slot assuming that Marshal was a NE and it makes a lot more sense IMO based on Marshal-Alice interactions D1.

• Possessed

@Napoleon

Possessed is a scumread due to the lack of night kills while in jail and also due to the Luxy-Possessed thingy.

@Napoleon

Possessed is still someone I’m unsure about… I still think some of their posts on D1 hint V to me. I’m nullreading this but I don’t think this would be my primary lynch. The rest I gotta read a bit more but I think this is the PoE we should follow.

• Braix

@Napoleon

See I think Braixen is probably the most likely to flip scum here anyways out of the PoE. I’m pretty sure CRichard is town too. I’m really unsure about Wazza/Ami atm though I kinda want to lynch Ami because either she’s scum or I’m proven town.

@Napoleon

Lynching a convert isn’t that great today though and I still think Braixen is the best course of action here. In the event that they do manage to flip BD, we get a good chunk of information.

• Vul

@Napoleon

You aren’t playing like usual V!Vulgard anymore once pressed. I didn’t pay you much attention until I looked at your response at Marshal. Your tunneling is usually different.

I don’t think we lynch Vulgard though, at least not yet. They could still be town and if they are convert it’s not worth it.

@Napoleon

Less aggressive, more analytical. Your awareness of the surroundings just went poof and you created a Marshal wagon when it was looking like Braixen would get lynched anyways.

That’s what’s confusing. You aren’t playing this as I would have expected you to play this.

@Napoleon

On an individual basis Vulgard feels wolfy but it’s also strange why he got so defensive.

Also it’s possible you could be distancing/bussing. It’s not ridiculous to bus if you know a wolf is going down.

@Napoleon

I’m pretty sure at best Vulgard’s a convert and I’m not too keen on lynching them atm; it’s a hit or miss and the hit isn’t even that great. I’ll re-eval their slot over the night and if they still appear scummy to me I’ll probably be bountying them.

Readslists

Details

First

@Napoleon

This is my Alice List as of EoN N1

@Marshal-san

This is in order

Townreads

• Napoleon
• Italy (Prince - Confirmed Town)
• Vulgard (I can feel that T!Vulgard)

Townleans

• Alice (Be careful with this slot but few things pinged V)
• Luxy/Gxypx (I think their bleed was legit)
• CRichard (a few points were awkward but I’m reading this town)
• SirDerpsALot

Nullreads

• Possessed (interacting w Luxy is a bit weird but a lot of their other posts feel townie)
• EVO
• folaccount
• Wazza
  ------------- Process of Elimination Line --------------
• katze
• PoisonedSquid

Killzone

• DryBones
• Braixen
• Chloe
• Ami
• Marshal (openwolf)

Second

@Napoleon

@Arete

• Luxy Gypyx

• katze - Died N1 - The Scorned
• Chloe
• N.1 folaccount
• CRich
• Marshal
• SirDerpsAlot
• Italy
• Vulgard
• PoisonedSquid
• Ami
• Alice
• Possessed
• Wazza
• Napoleon
• DryBones
• EVO
• Braixen

Looking through the player list…

• Gypyx self-resolves
• I’m Noble
• Read V!Vulgard and V!Alice D1 though I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them were converted
• Italy is Prince
• CRich iand EVO are in my strong townleans
• katze is dead

Leaving:

Chloe
folaccount
Marshal
SirDerpsAlot
Vulgard
PoisonedSquid
Ami
Possessed
Wazza
DryBones
Braixen

Ami could be scum but I don’t think they are the best lynch, I think them softing Archer is a good look from them. Chloe is a slight V for me as well.
Leaving:

folaccount
Marshal
SirDerpsAlot
PoisonedSquid
Possessed
Wazza
DryBones
Braixen

Both Marshal and Squid hinted that they could probably prove themselves if they are town I think, leaving.

folaccount
SirDerpsAlot
Possessed
Wazza
DryBones
Braixen

Possessed is still someone I’m unsure about… I still think some of their posts on D1 hint V to me. I’m nullreading this but I don’t think this would be my primary lynch. The rest I gotta read a bit more but I think this is the PoE we should follow.

Notes

• Confirmed BD or n1 convert - from bounty
• While ISOing this slot, I accidentally highlighted his ENTIRE FUCKING ISO WITH CTRL + A AAAAAHHHH
• Noble soft:

@Napoleon

@Napoleon

Okay I have officially decided I’m gonna do something bad to Ami tonight

@Napoleon

If I took it personal he would seriously regret scumreading me

No I’m not joking

Posts like these are softs to my Noble class.

Votes

@Napoleon

/vote DryBones

@Napoleon

/unvote

@Napoleon

/unvote

@Napoleon

/vote Braixen

Honestly let’s just vote this out. We have 18 hours until EoD and I don’t wanna get screwed by a possible EK wasting today’s trial if they decide to GT.

@Napoleon

/unvote

@Napoleon

Well if we are going to lynch Ami we need to do it somewhat quickly since we don’t get extra time once bounty triggers.

/vote Ami

@Napoleon

/vote Braixen

My thoughts
Good
There is no way this is anything but town unless it was converted just this last night. The bounty on Ami went through. Along with this, he seemed genuine when he was concerned for EK GTing to waste the rest of the day. His thoughts are very similar to mine when it comes to Vul as well.

[Marshal]

dead silent?

and you didn’t shiny button

HARD fuck that. he dies today

[Chloe]

glhf reading that

[Possessed]

Unseen and unseen ONLY.

I want possibilities for this occurance.

Also NK missed N1 kill then.

[Vulgard]

You guys are still making 0 sense.

[Vulgard]

Poss in jail, 1 nightkill. Poss not in jail, 3 nightkills. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

[Marshal]

uhh… archer mark?

[Vulgard]

I fucking wonder if he’s Assa or something.