[FoL] Forum of Lies 27 - 10 day FoL (2/18) - Blue Dragon win

[Chloe]

did carol do it

[Chloe]

like, my entire ISO post? On everyone? I havent posted that yet but I can

[Vulgard]

We have 48 hours. I think it should be enough, don’t worry.

[Vulgard]

Yup yup, I think I need other people’s thoughts here because I’ve already spewed mine all over the thread.

[Chloe]

I will be honest and say that I forgot to do Braix and Ami because I was going to do them last. But I can still take a few hours and ISO them as well if need-be
anyways, one sec. prepare for madness

[Wazza]

Right now this argument seems like an argument from TvS and I don’t know which side to side with.

[Chloe]

ISO shit Episode 2

Gypyx

Claims Good King

Actions
d1 - Allies Vul & Alice |
n1 - Swear Fealty someone |
d2 - Allies Alice & Napoleon |

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• Napoleon
• Vulgard
• Alice

Evil

• Marshal
• Braix

Readslists

Details

Start of day 2:

@Gypyx

But rn, my strongest townreads are napo / vulagrd / alice

And my top suspects are marshall and braixen

Votes

• voted Ami for bounty
• voted Braix after bounty
• GT’d Braix

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folaccount

No claim

Actions
Unknown

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• Vul
  Said this however

@folaccount

Vulgard’s recent post regarding the bounty lynch is disingenuous, stating they would prefer a wolf lynch over a rand lynch
either they TMI’d that Ami is a wolf, or they don’t think the bounty is real/forgot there is a bounty on amy

@folaccount

the point is there’s a weird gap in your logic where you start with “let’s lynch a wolf” and somehow lynching ami does not lead to that scenario, when lynching them will always end in a wolf lynch if you are assuming the initial lynch is a wolf.

• Wazza
• EVO
• Marshal

Evil

• Possessed (also views this as TWTBAW at one point)

Reasoning

@folaccount

Possessed straight up sounds like scum, but it looks like their assumption that I’m a paladin was genuine? Either cultists are in this game and possessed is one of them, or they’re just town and twtbaw

@folaccount

I mean, if I ever die then it’s just straight up because possessed thinks I am a Paladin and is outting that thought.

@folaccount

considering it’s your argument that makes you look scummy, it’s the exact opposite. Resorting to flailing and throwing out fallacy buzzwords doesn’t make you look any better.

@folaccount

Bro, you’re claiming to be a protective, right? So then this argument is doubly bad, as you can just protect me in the night and nobody will be the wiser. Your play doesn’t remotely make sense from a town POV.

@folaccount

• not this crap again
• possessed is voting me even though they think I softed an investigate
• sleeping is slanking now I guess
• possessed is coming at me from multiple different angles at once, their only goal is to confirm whether or not I am an investigative. They’re scum.

@folaccount

If you go back and actually read our 1v1, Possessed never brings up an adequate point for outing what he construed as a soft
even after I tell them that they should just drop it if they’re town, they insist on bringing it up time and time again, and all of their behavior falls perfectly in line with anti town trying to out a cop claim.

• CRich (SnakeEater)

@folaccount

Okay, pretty sure Richard is mafia lol

• Braix

@folaccount

if braixen is having emotional responses to people scum reading them if I don’t directly say I scum read them they might have a more logical response to the read

@folaccount

like, it takes a special kind of lhf to say someone scumslipped for various little arbitrary reasons
p sure they’re lolcatting

• Marshal

@folaccount

marshall hard defending braixen when they should be evaluating the slot where they failed a reaction test in a most horrible way doesn’t really vibe with me
this only works if the conviction is tmi
if marshall is wrong then they’re just wrong

• Squid

@folaccount

Squid has scum EV for being on bounty wagon and I don’t remember seeing any posts from them
feels like a wolf park to avoid SRs

Readslists

Details

First:

@folaccount

If I’m being fully honest, I don’t even have a full playerlist.
I have a town read on wazza (sp?) that I’m comfortable holding onto for now.
I’m starting to come around to twtbaw Possessed.
Braixen I believe in the wolf case on them, but they are not irredeemable.
I recently town read EVO.
I didn’t know Chloe was in the game at first because they were referencing mod communication which is usually a big nono. Can’t say I have a read on the slot otherwise.
I town read dry bones because if I don’t then it’s not pocketing
Richard I honestly think is scum, but I’m open on this since marshall brought up the possibility that Richard is a weird read.
speaking of marshall, I think they’re town, and will lock that in if braixen flips wolf.
nobody else comes to mind instantly

Second:

@folaccount

vulgard/wazza/evo/marshall town
braixen/possessed scum maybe richard scum

Third

@folaccount

Alice, Drybones, Crichard, Wazza
Vulgard, Possessed
Squid, EVO, Marshal, Napoleon, folaccount
SirDerpsAlot
these are the people voting, color coded from green to red, towniest to wolfiest.
a bit alarming that it’s not 17 players, but what can ya do

Notes

• Did not know that bleed lasts 2 nights

@folaccount

Thanks. So, what’s the status on our King? Were they meant to have bled out today or at the end of the day?

• Did not know about Cult/Unseen cops (asked if Paladin only exists in Cult game)

@folaccount

Like, let’s take the Paladin. They have a Cult cop. Is this role only going to exist in Cult games?

• Brings up his experience in every other post
• Super supportive of the bounty lynch

@folaccount

here’s what I don’t get
if yall are comfortable enough with ami and wazza cross targeting in the night, why are we not lynching the bounty anyway

@folaccount

afaik napoleon is all but mech confirmed town, no? So yeah I wouldn’t lynch that slot if it were bountied
vulgard and drybones sure, I probably still lynch

Votes

@folaccount

/vote Richard

@folaccount

/vote Possessed

@folaccount

/vote Ami

My thoughts
Town
This slot is absolutely townie in my eyes. Asking questions in thread that could be very easily answered in scumchat - and seemingly genuine about them. This player was supportive of the bounty lynch along with me - for very similar reasons. The interaction between this slot and Possessed screams townie to me - as all of his points make sense from a BD PoV. He never gets overly defensive; he stays calm under pressure and provides rebuttal that is “professional.”

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CRich/SnakeEater

Claims Archer

Actions
n1 - Unknown |
n2 - Should Eagle Shot Wazza |

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• Possessed

@CRichard564

Possessed is probably town based on his interactions with me and others in D1. I got the impression he is a townie angry that no one is paying attention to his reads. Now whether he’d do that as a wolf I can’t say for sure, though his anger D1 leads me to think he’s town.

@CRichard564

Possessed is the only healer claim who has outed so far. Also his interaction with folaccount doesn’t make sense if Possessed were a wolf.

@CRichard564

If Possessed were scum, I doubt he’d tell you what makes scum tick if he thought you were an important BD. He’d simply ask his group scum buddies to night kill you if he’s group scum.

• Alice

@CRichard564

It’s based on my read of Alice’s posts so far. I read her as town D1 and still do D2.

• Napoleon

@CRichard564

Napoleon is still one of my town reads. From past experience in Poisonous Mafia and Virtuous his posts indicate town alignment.

Evil

• Braix

@CRichard564

“I notice Braixen posed those diagrams D1 and yet he isn’t following them up. That is something I don’t like. I downgrade him to a null read based on that. Those diagrams make me wonder if he posted them to be noticed, and less to do with contributing to D1 discussion.”

This is for anyone who didn’t pay attention to my thoughts on Braixen. Here you go.

Readslists

Details

Notes

• Completely fine with the Eagle-Shot on Wazza

@CRichard564

If I die it would clear me upon seeing my flip. I’m willing to take the risk of you being a real hunter.

• Thoughts on possible converts

@CRichard564

Here are the people who I think are the most likely convert choices.

Vulgard as he is capable of deflecting suspicion away from himself and groupscum as seen in Virtuous.
Alice although I don’t think she is the convert assuming she did bear and kill katze N1.
folaccount if Possessed is right about him being starting Paladin/Sheriff.

Votes

@CRichard564

/vote Braixen

@CRichard564

Man this is the worst part.
/vote Ami

@CRichard564

I said I don’t trust Marshal. Time to say so by voting.
/vote Marshal

• Breakdown after lynching Ami

Details

@CRichard564

I had my doubts about Ami being scum. I should have stuck to my guns by not voting.

@CRichard564

That’s what happens being a noob. Not having confidence to listen to their own gut read.

@CRichard564

This is going to haunt me for a very,very long time. Sorry guys looks like I’m a perpetual noob.

@CRichard564

Still I’m going to wish that I could delete my memory of this game after it’s done.

@CRichard564

Yeah if there is technology to delete memories, this could come handy right now.

@CRichard564

What a record. After 3 games here. Time to pack after this game maybe.

@CRichard564

If we lynch another BD. I don’t see myself signing up for another game here. No sorry guys this sort of thing is too much for me to handle.

@CRichard564

Ok show’s over. Thanks for the games guys. I’ll play this game and I’m done here.

@CRichard564

Vulgard I thank you for this game. Though I think this is the last game you’ll ever see me play.

@CRichard564

No I simply can’t recover from that horror.

My Thoughts
Town
Although I dislike that most of their reads have little to no reasoning, I still absolutely believe that this slot is town. The breakdown after lynching Ami seemed incredibly genuine and pure, and I do not believe this comes from a wolf, as it simply attracts attention.

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Marshal

Claims Tavernkeeper

Actions

Details

N1: swap poss/italy
D2: dose wazza

waz=W

basically all of my d2 play has revolved around me trying to get W to bleed somebody. my logic is a few things. If W is cult in a cult game, he is prolly aco. what this makes me think is that if king was bled, they used the aco bleed, not the CL one. in this world if i dose W and a bleed goes through, it is confirmed that W is scum. the other world where this could happen is one where W is dmon who bypass my dose with his occ immune(not sure on this awaitng ansr frm hosts). either way, if W bleeds sum1(and it goes through) hes scum. I am very sure that he knows this. He tried to test the waters when he asked me what i would do if he bled sum1 and it didn’t go through, but i had to act obliv. as to not comprmise this test. I am thinking that he is in fact scum especially bcuz he swapped from i want to bleed to i will never bleed so adamantly n quickly. Evo backing W makes me think w/w. In cult game, always get W and look at evo upon the aco flip.

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• Braix - see notes for more

@Marshal

ngl i socially read braix village and still do but this is our beast lead rn

@Marshal

ngl i still think there’s a solid chance he flips villager

he’s so fucking reeking townie IMO

but he failed the reactiontest and pretty blatantly slipped so i kinda gotta fucking go with that peice of evidence

@Marshal

I mean A), he’s imploding entirely and being a major fucking dumbass and if he had wolf partners i feel like they would tell him to tone it down, but he hasn’t.

His unapolagetic hipocrisy and pure absurdity is TWTBAW IMO.

Also his softs are honestly undeniable. Would a wolf really go to all that effort to soft a class so many times and be so damn proud of themselves, but also not make sure to read over the class they were softing.

also he’s slipped non Gscum so many times. he thought there were fucking trials for god’s sakes. I don’t think he fake pulls that card so many times.

and his rebuttal to my reactiontest is valid. I think it would have been better if y’all didn’t go “HAHA LOL BRAIXEN IS LOCK WOLF GG OMG IM THE BESSSST!!!” because I got the vibes that he was thinking wolf and wanted to conf that. Y’all shut that down. IMO this is more likely to flip villa then not.

@Marshal

I relate hard to this and i understand exactly what he’s feeling. There are a group of vocal and agressive players who are hard scumreading him(like what happened to me in the game i quoted) and he’s been in defense mode. Feeling like i couldn’t make analysis because i had to defend myself and being pushed to analyse as well was a huge thing and i feel the same feeling from him.

• Ami

@Marshal

this shit. It’s like a schtick. she also softed in this game.

so like there i saw an ami who barely tried d1 and d2(but gave some reads d2) and softed a bunch and had a dumb series of posts or a schtick.

I feel like an ami who was recenly bragging about her recent game being a “masterclass in powerwolfing” does that again.

so there

vibe checked

• DryBones

@Marshal

he’s in his villa meta, and he pushed on chloe earlier on in the day with something mech which i don’t really think was faked.

@Marshal

basically this. @Napoleon. it doesnt seem fake to me

Evil

• Wazza

@Marshal

i don’t think your all that towny and i think you have decent scum equity

you are a mostly null scum lean, if i wanted to i would put u in your own category but i didn’t feel like making new ones for both u and squid

@Marshal

Rn I’m 100% sure you are hunter, harmful neut, or NK, or one other scenario which claiming would give you an out from.

Bleeding locktowns you as either confirmed hunter or my other scenario(rare, but possible)

If I’m bullshitting in any way, lynch me immediately

• Vulgard - see notes for more

@Marshal

he just feels way more reserved.he wasn’t on for like the starting few minutes, potentially figuring things out, and then comes on wayyyyyyy more reserved. his first 5 posts in specific are such reserved posts and i feel like a guy who’s had a night of solving would be a little more confident.

@Marshal

his progression on evo is what really stood out to me

as well as his sudden swap from poss v -> poss w gave me weirdo vibes.

@Marshal

like, evo is his 2nd highest scumread.

and then as soon as day 2 starts he’s like “yeah i agree with u that guy probably villa” and just keeps strengthening that.

also another thing i took note of was how he always seemed to flip flop on wazz d2. was just a little weird. didn’t inlcude it but on like 2 or 3 occasions he’s like “i don’t like wazz” and then goes “i kinda actually null/town him”

just wanted to note that down because for me i noticed it but didn’t put it

• Possessed - scum -> townread -> scum

@Marshal

i decided to shift my viewpoint away from poss for the time being

IMO he’s had some villagery posts and his volume tells point was valid, he’s just been emelia-level to argue with(and has had scummy points) and it was draining and going nowhere. Arguing with ppl like this does nothing for me

@Marshal

you said "I KNOW she’s a hunter claim with a bear night action

@Possessed

I know she’s hunter claim with a bear night action

know is a pretty strong word for an assumption my guy

Readslists

Details

First

@Marshal

ignoring converts potential

Marshal
Italy

Chloe
Dry
Vulgard
Alice
Ami
Derps
Braixen
Crichard

PoisonedSquid
Folaccount
Nappy

Wazza
Possessed
Evo

@Marshal

Evo - Cult leader
Wazza - Acolyte
Vul - random cult
Crich - random NK
Poss - Sellsword/warlock

Notes

• Claimed Warlock to try to bait evils into targeting Italy, to swap them to Possessed
• Claim seems incredibly genuine. The bait on Wazza, as well as immediately asking Possessed what action he used (likely to see if it was self-heal?)

Details

@Marshal

@Possessed do u mind sharing last night’s actions

which ability you used

@Marshal

it could potentially softclear you if you say the right thing but y’know who cares

@Marshal

Poss imma say what it is eventually and even soft it if u fucking want so that you know im not bullshitting.

but this might be really important to mech solve.

@Marshal

i also can prove myself as not warlock at a cost if need be.

@Marshal

nah if this is what happened i bet ur acolyte omegalul

having an aco would be the only reason that cult would bleed luxy
hunter is the most likely aco claim

and u thought of that as a possibility

@Marshal

@Wazza

vibe check

bleed me

@Marshal

ok flip a coin. bleed me or don’t. I’d much prefer to be bled.

@Marshal

eh im fine with not being bled

as long as wazza bleeds someone today

but i’d prefer it to be me

@Marshal

i kinda want wazz to bleed some1

this sucks because the best target was me but we should find someone juicy who we want to extract the juices from

@Marshal

Or just don’t heal her

Idgaf who’s bled

Just wazza has to bleed today and soon

@Marshal

well aight

Logs(start at “N1:”, right below the line)

• On converts & possibility of Vul:

Details

@Marshal

currently imma convert radar chloe and vulgard cuz vul is a weirdo and chloe is who i’d convert if i were gscum and not on a team with her

@Marshal

im thinking of vulgard as a possible convert

i townleaned him but he’s on my conv radar

@Marshal

i sitll think vul was the convert but uh i guess we don’t have to convert hunt

@Vulgard i do want to hear from u more tho

@Marshal

yeah im not a fan of kingus-ing vulgod with where i’m at right now.

I really want to hear more from him today

@Marshal

one of them is that scum would feel real stupid trying to convert or kill a warlock claim

^ didn’t even think about this tbh

@Marshal

ok science time is done.

@Marshal

his progression on evo is what really stood out to me

as well as his sudden swap from poss v -> poss w gave me weirdo vibes.

@Marshal

like, evo is his 2nd highest scumread.

and then as soon as day 2 starts he’s like “yeah i agree with u that guy probably villa” and just keeps strengthening that.

also another thing i took note of was how he always seemed to flip flop on wazz d2. was just a little weird. didn’t inlcude it but on like 2 or 3 occasions he’s like “i don’t like wazz” and then goes “i kinda actually null/town him”

just wanted to note that down because for me i noticed it but didn’t put it

@Marshal

basically, if you look at who it would actually make sense to conv, I see really the only options of you, alice, chloe, and maybe nap.

Nap i don’t really hate thus far, alice seems V still, chloe… I think is villa but gives me some pause at some moments. You however are just so strongly against me and intellectually dishonest imo that it just makes you the most likely conv IMO

• Defense on Braix started very early (looks better for him IMO)

@Marshal

i think braix is villager here and is being pushed by a mix of scum and townies and it’s hella dummi

^ this was BEFORE braix claimed. below is the start of the push that caused him to claim

@Marshal

/vote braix

• Thought I was Tavernkeeper <3

@Marshal

quick question chloe ever played terraria

• Brings up the possibility of real Warlock

@Marshal

or… there’s a real WL who thought i was knight or protective or something planning to stop kills on italy, and not wanting me to do that, actually carnaged

Votes

Details

@Marshal

/vote braixen

@Marshal

/vote marshal

@Marshal

ok does anyone else wanna pull a fat /vote possessed with me

@Marshal

/vote evo

@Marshal

/vote vulgard

@Marshal

/unvote

@Marshal

/vote braix

@Marshal

/vote marshal

@Marshal

/vote napoleon

@Marshal

/vote sirderpsalot

@Marshal

/vote evo

@Marshal

/vote ami

@Marshal

wait /unvote

@Marshal

/vote possessed

@Marshal

/unvote

@Marshal

/vote ami

@Marshal

/vote vulgard

@Marshal

/vote marshal

@Marshal

/vote execute

My Thoughts
Town
This is town. It took me a while to figure it out - in fact, i spent nearly three hours ISOing Marshal only. First of all, if he weren’t town, he would be Mastermind (with Tavernkeeper abilities) or convert. Now, Mastermind does not make sense from my perspective because he started the defense of Braix very early, before Braix even claimed, and the attempt to get Wazza to bleed seemed incredibly genuine. He also immediately asked Possessed what ability he used, which adds up with the swap. The other possibility is that Marshal is convert. I don’t think this possibility is likely for the same reasons listed above, as well as the fact that he claimed Warlock at the end of d1. Any scum who converts a last-second neut claim would have to have the fuckin biggest brain ever. His tone hasn’t shifted much from d1, minus when he was defending himself from Vulgard, which… IMO his tone became more towny.

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Derps

Claims Drunk

Actions
Unknown

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• Wazza
• Napoleon
• Possessed
• Ami

@SirDerpsAlot

They just don’t flip W

Evil

• Alice

@SirDerpsAlot

Gut reading Alice as convert feels like her tone has shifted slightly

@SirDerpsAlot

Overall their pushes and such on D1 had more thought put into them from what I can see. They gave more options and overall have a much different tone from what I’m seeing currently

• Squid

@SirDerpsAlot

First I don’t like this post feels opportunistic

@SirDerpsAlot

Second. Over 70 posts which by itself is bad. Two fucking reads. This is VMMM squid.

Readslists

Details

@SirDerpsAlot

@Arete

PoisonedSquid

@Arete

Alice

@Arete

• DryBones

• EVO
• Braixen

@Arete

N.1 folaccount

My current PoE

@SirDerpsAlot

Wazza I gutread town

Nappy is obv town to me

Possed after today I just don’t see being scum tbh

Notes

• softed drunk d1

@SirDerpsAlot

Im not sober

@SirDerpsAlot

Brax what did you do last night

^ possible deb on braix n1?

Votes

Details

@SirDerpsAlot

/Vote Braxien

@SirDerpsAlot

/Vote Brax

@SirDerpsAlot

@Napoleon

Court Spied SDA today

Dosent this target two people…?

@SirDerpsAlot

/Vote Nappy

@SirDerpsAlot

/Vote Wazza

@SirDerpsAlot

/Vote Evo

@SirDerpsAlot

/Vote Crich

@SirDerpsAlot

/Vote Squid

@SirDerpsAlot

/Vote Vul

@SirDerpsAlot

/Pardon

@SirDerpsAlot

/Execute

My Thoughts
Town/Null
This is a townlean for me - but I dislike the lack of supporting arguments for their reads. The d1 soft adds up with their claim. I mostly get towny vibes from his tone. This is more null than town, but a townlean nonetheless.

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Italy

Claims Prince

Actions
n1 - Jail Possessed |
n2 - Jail EVO? |

Reads and Reasoning
Evil

• Possessed

@Italy

you just said “why would someone empower a PoE phys claim”
but that doesn’t make any sense because i said if the CL/MM was empowered

@Italy

only one person died last night and possessed appears to have some sort of TMI
am i the only person who doesn’t like that

@Italy

i mean
the obvious answer is that it’s unseen game and poss is NK
or NK used a death immune bypassing ability

Notes

• Important post below:

@Italy

BORGAR

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Vulgard

Claims Non-Unique BD

Actions
Unknown

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• EVO

@Vulgard

@Chloe

From how EVO’s been just being his own island and going ahead with contrarian opinions I think he may be town rn.

I’m starting to reach that conclusion as well. He really reminds me of Vanilla Nightless, where he was a villager and had a similar slow start, but ended up doing inherently V-motivated stuff later on.

@Vulgard

@EVO

Highlighted texts are meant to put specific parts of posts under scrutiny.

Villagery af, especially the addition of this.

@EVO

Me Being Sentimental

Like… why. Why include this if you’re wolfing.

@EVO

Brain Hurt

It’s also really disconnected and doesn’t push any specific agenda. This guy is a villager.

• Wazza & Alice (Wazza became scum-read, see below)

@Vulgard

I kinda think Wazza and Ami might both be villagers, because:

1. the reactions from both of them (disappearing) are way too dumb and wolfy
2. the lack of self-preservation makes them seem like not-neutrals. Neither of them seems fitting to be groupscum, either.

• Napoleon

@Vulgard

I don’t think Napoleon writes this post as a wolf. It contains too many thoughts which are disconnected from one another and there is a healthy amount of solvey motivation / uncertainty here. From my experience Napoleon does not weigh his options nearly as much as a wolf and ends up being more certain with less volume.

• Alice

@Vulgard

No. Also, I kinda don’t buy your Hunter claim, since you said you only claimed killer because you wanted to nail Braixen.
Not that it matters, I still TR you, but yep.

• Chloe

@Vulgard

My problem with Chloe is that she’s super likable and it makes me V read her by default. That said I do think she’s villaging here. Her gameplay seems to perfectly mirror her gameplay in Virtuous and I’m not sure why Nappy’s wolfreading her.

@Vulgard

By the way, Chloe never does this as a wolf. She jumps on the opportunity instead. Especially if we’re both V, then she just chooses a wagon.

• CRich

@Vulgard

Like, I frankly don’t believe a CRich who rands wolf for the first time ever in his games here manages to perfectly imitate his town meta. I haven’t seen notable differences in his posts between his towngame and this game, and if he managed to achieve that as a wolf, I will be impressed.

He’s still a mechsolver above all else, and uses many more ToL concepts than necessary or even desired in a game of FoL, but that doesn’t make him a wolf.

Evil

• Possessed

@Vulgard

I ISOd your d1 here and in Evolution Mafia side by side in the allies chat and found a similar pattern. You pushed some people early because you didn’t like the fact they were townread by meta, then you were suspected for the push, then you got heated over your push target being cleared by meta, then you started AtEing. You hit all of these major points in Evolution Mafia and you did the exact same thing here. I can repost this in the main thread, although it likely won’t be the exact same, since I don’t think I’m allowed to copy stuff from allies chat anymore.

@Vulgard

Also, you don’t do this as a villager. You defend yourself as a villager. You read your accusers. And I can quote posts in your V games where you do this.

@Vulgard

There’s something here I don’t really understand. Possessed was widely wolfread yesterday, some people advocated for a jail on him and maybe even an execution. Yet now, after he was jailed and we’re missing a nightkill , nobody wants to wagon him despite the fact I’ve been advocating for it?

Something’s off.

@Vulgard

I’m sorry, Possessed, from my experience you just don’t lose your cool nearly as easily as a villager, and that’s why I’m suspicious of you.

• Marshal

@Vulgard

I feel like Braixen and Derps’ reads on me aren’t real and Marshal revenge voted me.

@Vulgard

This guy has been saying I was converted all day but has 0 evidence for it and hasn’t been able to pinpoint that. Don’t you think he’d try to make a convert read on me or something? It feels like he keeps repeating that statement for the thread to believe it instead of building a case and going from there.

@Vulgard

And I’m wolfreading him here because quite frankly, I think his attempts to form an u n s h a k e a b l e v i l l a g e c o r e this early on (day 1!!!) are agenda bullshit and not overconfident townreads from a villager.

@Vulgard

The fact that Marshal initiated a RT on Braixen, which Braixen promptly failed, and then Marshal didn’t immediately peg him as lockscum and flip-flopped on him despite being the person who initiated the RT makes me think they could be a team.

@Vulgard

I’m reading Marshal’s posts and I think he’s a wolf trying to take over the game because we’re right.

• Braixen

@Vulgard

EVO differs from Braixen in that he’s actually excited about the way he’s reading people and he’s consistently using that to inform and develop his reads.

Braixen just kinda randomly gave up on it exactly when I wolfread him for it and it was awkward as hell in general.

On derps and Braix:

@Vulgard

You might be onto something. These two have been wolfreading each other, but aren’t really trying to lynch each other. Typically a sign of W/W distancing. The distinction between “actually tries to lynch” and “actually doesn’t try to lynch” is important here.

@Vulgard

Come to think of it, Alice had a great point about Derps potentially being Braixen’s partner. Derps randomly voted Braixen at SoD and pushed him with moderate conviction, but little justification. I think that’s a really partnery thing to do. If Derps is a wolf, I think he would at least try to explain himself somehow before pushing a villager there. And if he’s a villager, I don’t think his first thought at SoD is to push on Braixen. Seems kinda unnatural to me, considering the fact we were generally townreading Braixen D1.

@Vulgard

The reason I started wolfreading Braixen initially was because he didn’t care about his reads/reading method and I even proved it by RTing him. But now he’s yelling at me and claiming that I’m wolfreading him because of the Retribution slip, when it’s simply not true.

• Wazza

@Vulgard

This part does make sense and frankly makes me think Wazza could just be the Demon. I don’t think groupscum!Wazza is too likely.

@Wazza

He tried to get me to waste a bleed.

Ah yes, the classic wolf reasoning. “My actions weren’t wolfy because you were doing something mechanical against me and it was dumb.” All the while ignoring the fact that you refuse to do something which confirms you.

Readslists

Details

Regarding Marshal, Derps, Alice, Braix - in that order:
W
Not sure but could be W/Neutral
Hard V
Re-evaluating

(i accidentally copy pasted this instead of quoted and i really dont wanna go back and look for it so… yea -Chloe)
Second:

@Vulgard

Obviously I’ve re-evaled since then. I don’t think EVO is a wolf anymore for reasons I’ve already stated before. DryBones is apparently in his V meta now, even though I think he’s being given a free pass too easily, but w/e. Possessed I’m kinda flip-flopping on right now but still leaning WOLF, WOLF, WOLF WOLF WOLF, as Marshal would say. Marshal/Derps/Ami/Wazza – thinking Marshal is a wolf and Derps might be one too. No opinion about Ami because Ami hasn’t been doing much, but at least she isn’t afraid to post and hasn’t been frozen anymore, so that’s a decent look right there.

As for Wazza, I kinda think his claim is legit, but at the same time, I don’t really have many other reasons to V read him? Sorry Wazza, I just don’t think you’ve done anything clearing.

People I haven’t mentioned are people I V read to varied extent, although that might change. Alice/Chloe/Napoleon/EVO are my solid V reads right now. Wouldn’t towncore Ami but wouldn’t lynch there, either.

Third

@Vulgard

Gypyx - s e l f r e s o l v i n g
Chloe -V
folaccount - null
CRich - V
Marshal - W
Derps - W
Italy - Prince
Vulgard - lol
Squid - V
Ami - null
Alice - V
Possessed - W
Wazza - null
Napoleon - V
DryBones - V
EVO - V
Braixen - W

Villagers:

Chloe
Crich
Squid
Alice
Napoleon
DryBones
EVO

Null zone/wolves:

folaccount
Ami
Wazza

Derps
Marshal
Possessed
Braixen

Notes

• In allies with Alice n1
• Never responded to my tinfoils ):

@Vulgard

I think you’re a villager. I know this isn’t really an opinion about your post, but I’m not responding to it for a reason.

• Mentions wolf-meta quite a lot, and how he isn’t acting within it

@Vulgard

Point me to one deep read I’ve fabricated as a wolf and I’ll reconsider my stance on my slot. I really struggle with that when I’m wolfing.

@Vulgard

Though to be fair, I don’t exactly struggle with feeling relaxed as a wolf. Re: FoL 26.

@Vulgard

I’m sooo tempted to switch back to my erratic playstyle because that sort of thing is sooo much more fun.
I’d just have to actually get good at it.

@Vulgard

Sorry, but you’ve wasted a lot of time making this. I’m just a villager. I’m way out of my wolfrange and anyone who’s played with me when I was wolfing should be able to see why.

• Claims to be non-unique BD

Votes

@Vulgard

/vote Marshal

I told you day 1 that we should wagon Marshal/Possessed after that horrendous EoD1 and I stand by that idea.

@Vulgard

/vote folaccount

@Vulgard

/vote Marshal

@Vulgard

/vote Ami

@Vulgard

/vote Marshal

@Vulgard

Eh, fuck it.

/execute Braixen
glgl.

@Vulgard

/abstain On second thought, let’s maybe not lynch someone who’s a sacrificial lamb.

My Thoughts
Null/Evil
Just like Marshal, I spent a shit ton of time reading through Vulgard’s ISO to come to this conclusion. I really want Vulgard to be town… but my gut is telling me he was converted night one. I noticed a shift in tone with how it interacted with me. It almost seemed super buddy-buddy, like he was trying to make me happy so I would vote and read alongside him. After the Braix lynch, I no longer think this is locktown. He and Marshal have completely opposite viewpoints and I agree much more with Marshal, and think that Marshal is more likely the townie of the two. It’s possible that they are W/W but they would have to be playing out of their minds to be pushing eachother this much, and almost lynching eachother. I just don’t see it. I also dislike how much he mentions his wolf-meta and how he isn’t within it. I find this odd - because he’s usually so proud of his ability to swap playstyles on a whim - so can he really have a wolfmeta? The only reason this is a scumlean and not scumread is because I’m almost scared to say I completely scumread him, for reasons I can’t quite put into words. He’s a good player and I want him to be a townleader, not scum, but that’s unlikely.

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Squid

Claims “Important” BD

Actions

Unknown
Reads and Reasoning
Evil

• Braix

@PoisonedSquid

Because of Chloe’s explanation. I agree that what Braxien did was a slip, but I didn’t want to accidently hammer and end the day early because it sounded like a lot of people were focusing on him. That’s why I asked for a VC

Readslists

Details

Notes

• Did not know about the bounty on Ami

@PoisonedSquid

These split votes! BLEH! Why is Ami a wagon?

• On her claim:

@PoisonedSquid

Look, I’m trying not to claim all game, especially with what I’ve been given, so if you bleed me and I die, we’re all fucked

@PoisonedSquid

NO! I’m too important to be bled! If you bleed me, I swear to god!

Votes

@PoisonedSquid

Okay enough with the memeing, I’m still busy with stuff, but if Ami’s bountied, then there’s no reason not to vote her

/vote Ami

@PoisonedSquid

/vote Braxien

@PoisonedSquid

At least we have more time to discuss

@PoisonedSquid

/vote Execute

The extra time helps, but… if it does goes on for twelve hours, then it’ll be at midnight my time which I obviously can’t handle

@PoisonedSquid

Okay, maybe the extra time won’t be productive if everyone’s just going to complain about it -_-

My thoughts
Null
Just like at the start of d2, this slot has barely any content, other than a few votes here and there. Not even a readslist, or a few people she finds to be townie. For this reason, she is a complete null for me, as I have nothing to base a read on.

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Alice

Claims Hunter

Actions
Unknown

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• EVO

@Chloe

From how EVO’s been just being his own island and going ahead with contrarian opinions I think he may be town rn.

• DryBones

@Chloe

Dry’s obvtown. Chloe has always been a decent TR for me.

@Chloe

Like, he just doesn’t confront people when he’s a wolf. There’s no way that he’d have gone after Chloe like that if he weren’t BD.

• Vulgard

@Chloe

It’s basically because of your SoC posts there. D1 your posts didn’t feel like actual thoughts at all and the effort there was pretty… bad, to put it bluntly. In allies chat I got a better feel as you actually put a decent amount of work there and I had a better idea on how your thought process went.

@Chloe

When was his last game as a wolf? His tone here looks very carefree while I shelved it in town as in his last wolf game in my memory he had a harder time posting.

@Chloe

He was frequently struggling to make conclusions there, here he looks to be speaking out his thoughts more openly and whatnot. I’m strengthening my V-read on him atp.

@Chloe

Vulgard - Obvtown. There’s no way W!Vulgard makes that posts that I read in allied chat.

• Marshal

@Chloe

Rn I’m think he’s >rand V with a huge asterisk. In general his tone his calm and I can follow his logic, the problem is that I’m seeing a lot of potential red flags with his confidence such as automatically trusting a lot of people and making such a confident PoE so quickly. This is reminding me of his “Poisonous is so easy this can be the best village game on the site” comment that I caught in that match but brushed aside. I really want investigatives on him to rest my doubts here.

@Chloe

And frankly I dislike how ridiculously rigid your reads have been as well. I’d expect for them to change over time as more information is presented and lynching becomes open, but so far there has been very little change. Why’s that?

• Ami

@Chloe

I don’t think Ami is likely to flip W here via tone. Only concerns so far for me is that they’ve been very low-volume and much of their posts have been pretty much fluff.

Evil

• Braix

@Chloe

The point is that I’m suspecting Braixen as he hasn’t really done anything read-wise and spent much of the time theorizing about classes and trying to role-fish. Him making these odd deductions on Poss is basically just another reason why I’m suspicious of him.

@Chloe

Are you dense? I claimed my class type as I found it unlikely that there were 6 BD Killers but it turns out you lied. I didn’t claim because I trusted you as you can see from my ISO as I always suspected you.

@Chloe

Of course I’m fucking voting you despite being able to kill you myself as that’s the fucking point of the day phase. And I didn’t kill you just yet for very good reasons.

@Chloe

Your entire argument on Braixen being V relies on him playing too poorly to be a wolf. I just don’t see this reasoning to be solid evidence.

My issue with it is that the skill level on this website is just terrible and whenever I wolf here I usually do much of the decisions by myself with no input. It’s not that out-there but actually likely that the wolfteam we’re seeing is just Braixen plus two other people that have been barely playing this game and who haven’t bothered to tell Braixen to pipe down.

• Possessed ( also thinks TWTBW

@Chloe

IIRC he was town in Virtuous and played a more calm game there. It’s pretty much why he’s in my sights as going straight for the King like that does seem to be in-line with his scumrange.

@Chloe

Poss’ play is baffling and makes no sense from a V PoV, but at the same time it’s not really accomplishing any wolf agenda either. He did something similar to this in Evolution Mafia, but it was done as he was trying to pull a ML on a low-hanging fruit. Here… I just don’t see any reasoning why W!Poss would repeatedly get into a heated argument with you about your softs as it furthers no agenda.

@Chloe

I was thinking that were he a wolf he would most likely be a Neutral Evil being that he clearly doesn’t care about his survival and that his goal here is to out Paladin/Sheriff claims to the Cult/Unseen.

A NK would never bring so much attention to themselves like this.

• Derps

@Chloe

So I’m pretty sure that Derps would be the most likely wolfmate candidate after Brax here as after pretty much no interaction between him/Brax/I he immediately jumped to the conclusion we were W/W. His entire read on me at the SoD had little logic and the way he approach Brax looks like he has TMI that Brax is part of the same groupscum as he is.

Readslists

Details

First

@Chloe

I think we do. I’m pr sure that you, EVO, Seth, Nap, and Chloe are V.
CRich is in the spot where he looks to oblivious to be groupscum.
Ami and Squid were decently V, but their inactivity has been making them drop.
Marshal is in the Marshall zone. I don’t want him dead, but I’d rather him to be solved via mechanics.

Rest are immediate PoE.

Second:

@Chloe

Towncore:

Italy
EVO
DryBones
Napoleon
Alice
Vulgard

Not W/W with Braixen:

Marshal

Remainder

Chloe
folaccount
CRich
SirDerpsAlot
PoisonedSquid
Ami
Possessed
Wazza

Basically where I’m at RN with Braixen outed. I don’t see much interactions with his ISO, so I’m going to re-read to see the opposite.

Third:

@Chloe

Braix was always pretty wolfy. His posts early d2 basically made everyone pile on him which is why Vulgard’s read on him dropped. EVO, as I said above, had a complete change with his posts. Seth also reverted to his town meta. I don’t think Vulgard is wolfy as I had the same change in reads as him.

Also during the night Vulgard also thought that Poss was a wolf.

Notes

• Thoughts on Derps

@Chloe

SDA - This is just odd. He’s been extremely contrarian this match without being able to explain or go into depths with his reads but at the same time I don’t feel like he’s had much of an impact in the thread flow so far. I can’t really seem to see any thought process in his reads and suddenly shading both Vulgard and I is just nonsensical from either a W or a V PoV.

• On Wazz/Ami

@Chloe

Something else that came to mind is that I don’t think either Wazza nor Ami would be W/W with Braixen as I don’t think two Cult/Unseen would claim the same class, much less that they can’t bleed together in the same day.

• On kat’s death

@Chloe

I’ve been thinking that the reason for Katze’s death was either doc dodging or that someone here would target them as Katze may have a godread on them as I re-read Katze’s ISO and found nothing that could be a genuine soft nor a strong read on anyone, so I don’t think this was done because of Katze’s reads or PR hunting.

@Chloe

Like, if the wolves had a strongman that they knew they’d probably have used it on Italy. For them to use it on Katze basically hints that they probably had no idea that they could bypass night immunity that night, which points to a likely WL.

@Chloe

It still doesn’t explain why Katze’s night immunity was bypassed. Unless we have a CW-MM or if the we have a Reaper or Demon who yolo’d empower, then yeah. But if this were the case I’d expect them to target the Prince or some shit like it.

Votes

@Chloe

/vote Braixen

My thoughts
Null/Good
This slot has an incredible amount of information behind every read - and never swapped votes off of their original suspicion. I agree with practically all thoughts behind kat’s death, and I also agree that it is very likely Unseen game, from the d1 bleed. We mindmelded almost completely on the Braix vote, which gives her some credibility in my eyes.

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Possessed

Claims Physician

Actions
n1 - Imprisoned |
n2 - Hopefully healing Italy |

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• Napoleon

@Possessed

I’m ok with giving Napoleon a pass bc I heavily TR him, but its always good for confirmations. Especially if this bleed is real bc I’d want Nappy in as King.

• Chloe

@Possessed

Well I haven’t seen the presence from Vulgard that I saw D1, but I suppose the discussions with Alice in allies chat look good. Still…a check on Vulgard is better than Chloe. Chloe hasn’t had any shifts from D1 to D2.

Evil

• Marshal

@Possessed

Marshal is without a doubt setting up the pathway to MLs but until someone besides me and EVO realize it…nothing will get done.

@Possessed

How do I know this? Marshal has pressured me to re-evaluate my reads but has refused to do the same. He’s ignored any AI tells in my play and has been relentless on the pressure. That’s actually how I play scum, so of course ill notice it in others.

• DryBones

@Possessed

My SR of him won’t disappear because he stopped OMGUSing me after I pushed him D1. I could be wrong about him, but his posts never truly recovered from yesterday and all he’s got going for him is that he was hung as town acting like this in previous games.

I’d welcome a RB on him. Folaccount deserves one too if I’m being frank.

• Braix

Readslists

Details

First

@Possessed

Id be ok with this.

CRich
Braixen

Those would be the two id most want to lynch. In torn on Folaccount because he’s purposely withholding info that would help gamesolve for no reason.

Second

@Possessed

My ideal Invest checklist:
Alice (for potential convert)
Vulgard (for potential convert)
Ami
SDA
Wazza

Who id like hung today:
CRich
Braixen
Folacvount

Who I’m still weary of:
Marshal

Who I believe is undoubtedly town:
Napoleon
Drybones
Chloe
Italy (obviously)

Notes

• Immediately asked for night-action from Marshal
• Cannot be n1 convert
• On folaccount:

Details

@Possessed

You seem to be sort-of claiming here. You don’t have to confirm it or not, but be sure if I noticed it…scum did too. Scum are always more observant than town but they keep that out of public eye

@Possessed

This post reads like you have game type info

@Possessed

Dude.

Like I said, if I picked it up…so did scum. Scum are way more observant than town because they have to be. You’re jumping to bad conclusions.

@Possessed

Outting as paladin isn’t endgame my guy, paladins have self-sustain and you’d be narrowing game type. You’d basically confirm the flip was altered from Katze.

@Possessed

“Hey guys, does Paladin only spawn in cult games?”

“Yes. Heads up it looks like you are softing paladin claim.”

“What how could you know you must be cultist!”

No, Folaccount…Stevie Wonder can see you’re softing Paladin. Just out what you are so you can get protection.

@Possessed

Ex-act-ly. If you’re a Paladin cult already knows by now…its US TOWNSFOLK that don’t know.

@Possessed

In the FoL world, you soft a power role, you die. Town will not notice, but you bet your ass scum has a “soft claim” list made to track players and what they think they are.

I can guarantee I likely saved your life if you’re legit after you tried to throw it away with your soft.

@Possessed

Your soft wasn’t subtle. Be that as it may, others might not notice it…but you can bet scum will unless they are new. Rather not chance that if you were legit.

@Possessed

Like lets say I am Prince and I make a comment like “Don’t worry, (insert players name) shouldn’t be doing anything tonight”…some players might interpret that as a Butler claim and ignore it. Others players might completely skip over it and ignore it. Few might pick up the potential for this slot to be Prince, but alas…in this current situation only town invests pick it up.

You know who 98% of the time pick it up? Scum, specifically group scum. They bounce ideas off each other. “Do you guys think this is Butler or Prince?” “I say Prince, lets kill tonight.”

Prince dies that night, no heals or protects. Players shouldn’t be softing their class; its much more dangerous than open claiming it. All I did was make him aware of this and he refuses to acknowledge it, then progresses it to a weak case for a scumread.

Votes

@Possessed

/Vote Braixen

@Possessed

/Vote Marshal

@Possessed

Yeah nice pre-flip bud

This slot can die, their argument for my hang is bad.

/Vote Folaccount

@Possessed

/Vote Folaccount

@Possessed

/Vote Ami

@Possessed

Ok I’m bumping her back into the Nullzone. If we feel a null is worth lynching bc bounty ill move my vote no problem.

/Vote Folaccount

@Possessed

/Vote Vulgard

@Possessed

/Vote Braixen

@Possessed

/Execute Braixen

My thoughts
Null
My thought process is extremely swingy on this slot. He has been providing ample content, and I agree with his take on folaccount for the most part. While I don’t believe that folaccount is scum, I do think that Possessed was in the right here to out the potential soft. Truly, the single thing keeping me from townreading Possessed is the mechanics. He was imprisoned n1 with only one nightkill - and, along with this, Physician he a very easy fakeclaim.

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Wazza

Claims Hunter

Actions
n1 - Unknown |
n2 - Should bear |
(never bled)

Reads and Reasoning
Evil

• Vul

@Wazza

My gut feeling is strange with you, Vulgard.

Your posts read as Towny to me but my gut is telling me otherwise.

Why shouldn’t I bleed you today?

@Wazza

No I mean the fact that you’ve been feeling relaxed in general.

Looking back onto Vanilla Nightless, you were panic-voting and placing pressure left right and center for even the littlest reaction.
This game I haven’t seen that from you at all. I might have missed something from earlier but it strikes me as odd the fact you haven’t bothered with placing too much pressure or RT’ing people.

• Marshal

@Wazza

Not only did you Townlean me for no reason, backtracked on that because you mis-read my hints, but I suddenly dropped to your highest scumread after I call you out on your mistake. But then AFTER THAT now that I called you out on how I’m your highest scumread despite not doing anything since then, you backtrack and put me as Null while saying I’m dropping.

@Wazza

You’re acting like I’m a dumbass in every game but newsflash, I know when I’m being tricked into doing something. Additionally, when you keep constantly over and OVER AGAIN BEING TOLD BY YOUR SCUMREAD TO BLEED SOMEONE it’s get agonizing.

Readslists

Details

Notes

• Interaction with Marshal

Details

@Wazza

Additionally, this is pointless because I didn’t even bleed D1, if I was Acolyte anyone with a braincell can tell that I should’ve bled D1, even I know that.

@Wazza

I don’t give a shit.

You’ll be lynched today, there’s no point in me bleeding you and leaving myself defenseless tonight. You can fuck off, bud.

@Wazza

Once again, I’M NOT A DUMBASS.

@Wazza

I ain’t fucking bleeding Marshal, fuck off

@Wazza

BECAUSE IF I DO I CAN’T BEAR TONIGHT YOU DUMBASS

@Wazza

You are dying anyway, Marshal, I don’t give a shit about you or anything else. I’m not bleeding you, or anyone else until I have to. I have only 1 bleed and I’m saving it for now. You can fuck off, Marshal.

@Wazza

You know what, Marshal. Your ass is grass, because it’s red, my grass is on fire.

Bleed mofo.

@Wazza

well you’re lucky I have braincells to stop myself.

@Wazza

yes I do as I don’t know who tf to bleed aaaaa

@Wazza

I ain’t gonna fuckin do it.

@Wazza

Hmm, so let’s look at the reasons why I should bleed:

• Marshal, my scumread, wants me to.

Let’s look at the reasons I shouldn’t bleed:

• I can be attacked tonight after claiming it.
• I have no one in mind to bleed.
• I won’t be confirmed via the bleed.
• Marshal has been telling me to bleed Squid who claims and important class.
• It wouldn’t get us anywhere at all.
• The chances of me bleeding Town are very high.
• I only have 1 use of bleed.

Checkmate, Liberal.

@Wazza

fuck off bud.

@Wazza

…This is why you want me to bleed so badly?

@Wazza

Except.

You wanted me to COMPLETELY FUCKING WASTE A BLEED.

@Wazza

Well now I know I can’t threaten shit for the day but I can still HM you around tonight, and hope I hit your target.

@Wazza

You’re acting like I’m a dumbass in every game but newsflash, I know when I’m being tricked into doing something. Additionally, when you keep constantly over and OVER AGAIN BEING TOLD BY YOUR SCUMREAD TO BLEED SOMEONE it’s get agonizing.

Votes

@Wazza

/vote Marshal

@Wazza

/unvote

@Wazza

/vote Marshal

@Wazza

/vote Marshal

@Wazza

/vote Ami

4 Killer Claims.
The only one who doesn’t claim Hunter.
Is bountied.

YEET

@Wazza

/vote Braixen

@Wazza

/vote Braixen

@Wazza

/execute

My thoughts
Null/Good
This slot is semi-null for me, but I have a townlean on it for a few reasons. First of all, we have very similar reads on Vul, which gives him some town-points in my book. Along with this, he claimed very very early into the game, and his interaction with Marshal regarding the bleed looks incredibly genuine - including the anger and frustration. He is in my nullzone as he hasn’t provided many reads other than those on Vul and Marshal - and I would love to see more.

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Napoleon

Claims Noble

Actions
n1 - Bounty Ami |
n2 - Bounty Vul? | Is in Allies chat

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• EVO

@Napoleon

There’s no way EVO should be jailed. This is coming from someone who had scumslipped and someone who is also not a consensus townread.

Based on his D2, I’m fairly certain that EVO is Town, he’s playing active and aggressive while as a wolf he typically likes to sit back and blend in. I don’t see it.

• CRich

Evil

• DryBones (before claim)

Details

@Napoleon

Two main reasons TBH:

1. I’ve had difficulty in organizing scumreads so last night I decided to re-eval clean. I’m still leaning Alice town because I don’t think she would necessarily be that bold and I did agree with her point that it seemed sort of strange that she was the consensus townread. With that said, back on point, I’ve found several people more townie than you which is why I have them higher up my “Alice list” which I had constructed last night.
2. I don’t really know how to read you that well but I think I trust Alice’s “soulread” on you which is why I think you have decent scum equity here.
3. I also voted you to create a counterwagon. I also had the feeling that there is a deepwolf somewhere that’s infiltrated our towncore because the scumread list felt too consensus. I’m creating this counter wagon to see who votes on it tbh. I acknowledge that DryBones/Braixen is likely not W/W.

There is a deepwolf candidate that I have in mind but I want to hold it for now until I see what happening. I’m liking some of the interactions I’m seeing right now tbh and I will probably come out with it soon.

@ChopChop

Over CRichard564?

My suspect that I have yet to announce is related to this. But to put it out short, I think the bleed on Luxy was legitimate based on his reaction to it. On the contrary, while I initially suspected CRichard to be the likely bleeder, I don’t think his reaction is any way signatory of that. Also he’s directly in his town meta and is playing like a typical ToL townie. Also, I don’t think that even in ToL, they are the type of person to really bleed King that early, knowing from how it’s related to this.

I think it’s more likely that DryBones/Braixen isn’t W/W and I want to see who votes on each wagon since you both are in my scumreads, albeit individually.

• Chloe -> scum to town

@Napoleon

• Chloe has been trying to solve for the MM 2nd ability slot, which I don’t like, because it implies TMI and it isn’t too useful especially D1
• I think the purpose of the bleed was to frame CRichard, and you did shade him for that Chloe.

@Napoleon

I thought Chloe would be the most likely candidate to bleed Luxy because:

• At the beginning, she put a lot of effort into trying to mech deduce for MM yet the game is still unconfirmed which implied TMI for me
• Luxy/Gpxyx bleed was probably real. I’m almost certain about that
• CRichard was the first person to come to mind when the bleed happened. I think he wasn’t the bleeder based on his posts and he earned quite a bit of shade. He’s in this townmeta as well. I think this was an attempt to frame him.
• Someone with ToL experience would IMO be more likely to do this, knowing that in ToL, bleeding King d2 is more acceptable and could serve as another subconscious reason to bleed CRichard
• Chloe shaded CRichard for being responsible for the bleed.

I checked some other games to see if Chloe could replicate her Day 1 behavior (FoL26) and though she was Sellsword that game, I don’t think she could safely be cleared for being “in her townmeta”

@Napoleon

Ngh I’m not sure if Chloe is scum anymore … I ISO’ed Chloe on my own and her tone feels towny, she’s making it hard for me to scumread her…

@Napoleon

And I initially had a case against Chloe being possible groupscum (persumably Unseen with TMI) but I think Braixen slipping and Chloe’s Day 2 make that more unlikely.

@Napoleon

Yeah and I think I trust Chloe more now so it’s not likely that katze was defiled, but his death immunity was ignored somehow and that implies that there is a Warlock… I don’t see why any scum would strongman katze here.

• Marshal

@Napoleon

I am slight scumreading Marshal now but I scumread them because I’m not sure whether their “reaction test” was fake. katze flipping Scorned despite death immunity is suspicious and either that is a Carnage-empowered attack or that was some sort of disguise (I would guess Possessor). I think katze is more likely an NK target though but Marshal already sorta softed D1 and I think their claim will help resolve their slot. I tried looking at this slot assuming that Marshal was a NE and it makes a lot more sense IMO based on Marshal-Alice interactions D1.

• Possessed

@Napoleon

Possessed is a scumread due to the lack of night kills while in jail and also due to the Luxy-Possessed thingy.

@Napoleon

Possessed is still someone I’m unsure about… I still think some of their posts on D1 hint V to me. I’m nullreading this but I don’t think this would be my primary lynch. The rest I gotta read a bit more but I think this is the PoE we should follow.

• Braix

@Napoleon

See I think Braixen is probably the most likely to flip scum here anyways out of the PoE. I’m pretty sure CRichard is town too. I’m really unsure about Wazza/Ami atm though I kinda want to lynch Ami because either she’s scum or I’m proven town.

@Napoleon

Lynching a convert isn’t that great today though and I still think Braixen is the best course of action here. In the event that they do manage to flip BD, we get a good chunk of information.

• Vul

@Napoleon

You aren’t playing like usual V!Vulgard anymore once pressed. I didn’t pay you much attention until I looked at your response at Marshal. Your tunneling is usually different.

I don’t think we lynch Vulgard though, at least not yet. They could still be town and if they are convert it’s not worth it.

@Napoleon

Less aggressive, more analytical. Your awareness of the surroundings just went poof and you created a Marshal wagon when it was looking like Braixen would get lynched anyways.

That’s what’s confusing. You aren’t playing this as I would have expected you to play this.

@Napoleon

On an individual basis Vulgard feels wolfy but it’s also strange why he got so defensive.

Also it’s possible you could be distancing/bussing. It’s not ridiculous to bus if you know a wolf is going down.

@Napoleon

I’m pretty sure at best Vulgard’s a convert and I’m not too keen on lynching them atm; it’s a hit or miss and the hit isn’t even that great. I’ll re-eval their slot over the night and if they still appear scummy to me I’ll probably be bountying them.

Readslists

Details

First

@Napoleon

This is my Alice List as of EoN N1

@Marshal

This is in order

Townreads

• Napoleon
• Italy (Prince - Confirmed Town)
• Vulgard (I can feel that T!Vulgard)

Townleans

• Alice (Be careful with this slot but few things pinged V)
• Luxy/Gxypx (I think their bleed was legit)
• CRichard (a few points were awkward but I’m reading this town)
• SirDerpsALot

Nullreads

• Possessed (interacting w Luxy is a bit weird but a lot of their other posts feel townie)
• EVO
• folaccount
• Wazza
  ------------- Process of Elimination Line --------------
• katze
• PoisonedSquid

Killzone

• DryBones
• Braixen
• Chloe
• Ami
• Marshal (openwolf)

Second

@Napoleon

@Arete

• Luxy Gypyx

• katze - Died N1 - The Scorned
• Chloe
• N.1 folaccount
• CRich
• Marshal
• SirDerpsAlot
• Italy
• Vulgard
• PoisonedSquid
• Ami
• Alice
• Possessed
• Wazza
• Napoleon
• DryBones
• EVO
• Braixen

Looking through the player list…

• Gypyx self-resolves
• I’m Noble
• Read V!Vulgard and V!Alice D1 though I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them were converted
• Italy is Prince
• CRich iand EVO are in my strong townleans
• katze is dead

Leaving:

Chloe
folaccount
Marshal
SirDerpsAlot
Vulgard
PoisonedSquid
Ami
Possessed
Wazza
DryBones
Braixen

Ami could be scum but I don’t think they are the best lynch, I think them softing Archer is a good look from them. Chloe is a slight V for me as well.
Leaving:

folaccount
Marshal
SirDerpsAlot
PoisonedSquid
Possessed
Wazza
DryBones
Braixen

Both Marshal and Squid hinted that they could probably prove themselves if they are town I think, leaving.

folaccount
SirDerpsAlot
Possessed
Wazza
DryBones
Braixen

Possessed is still someone I’m unsure about… I still think some of their posts on D1 hint V to me. I’m nullreading this but I don’t think this would be my primary lynch. The rest I gotta read a bit more but I think this is the PoE we should follow.

Notes

• Confirmed BD or n1 convert - from bounty
• While ISOing this slot, I accidentally highlighted his ENTIRE FUCKING ISO WITH CTRL + A AAAAAHHHH
• Noble soft:

@Napoleon

@Napoleon

Okay I have officially decided I’m gonna do something bad to Ami tonight

@Napoleon

If I took it personal he would seriously regret scumreading me

No I’m not joking

Posts like these are softs to my Noble class.

Votes

@Napoleon

/vote DryBones

@Napoleon

/unvote

@Napoleon

/unvote

@Napoleon

/vote Braixen

Honestly let’s just vote this out. We have 18 hours until EoD and I don’t wanna get screwed by a possible EK wasting today’s trial if they decide to GT.

@Napoleon

/unvote

@Napoleon

Well if we are going to lynch Ami we need to do it somewhat quickly since we don’t get extra time once bounty triggers.

/vote Ami

@Napoleon

/vote Braixen

My thoughts
Good
There is no way this is anything but town unless it was converted just this last night. The bounty on Ami went through. Along with this, he seemed genuine when he was concerned for EK GTing to waste the rest of the day. His thoughts are very similar to mine when it comes to Vul as well.

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DryBones

Claims Butler

Actions
n1 - Serve Wine Chloe |

Reads and Reasoning
Good

• Chloe

@ChopChop

Chloe is Starting Town but could be Converted Cult, if anyone converted them it’s EVO.

Evil

• Braix

@ChopChop

He’s in my scum Reads.
His post about Possessed was bad IMO.

• CRich

@ChopChop

You said you already knew
It is a contradiction.

YOUR SCUM SLIPPING

• Napoleon
• Squid
• EVO

@ChopChop

Evo scum slipped.
I believe EVO claimed Offence and is lying saying they didn’t because they want a good fake claim.

@ChopChop

Look at his Vanilla Nightless Ice Cream Flavour Game.
He’s playing different here.

@ChopChop

At the start of Day 1, EVO almost had me convinced Marshal was wolf.
That’s called scum manipulation by EVO.

Readslists

Details

First

@ChopChop

Richard, Napo and Squid I think are Scum.

Second

@ChopChop

I think there is 1 scum within Brax/EVO.

Notes

• Interaction with Chloe

Details

@ChopChop

What did you do last night?

@ChopChop

I find it odd your interested what happened last night.

@ChopChop

Why so into this?
Did something happen your not telling us?

@ChopChop

@Chloe
What’d You do last night?

@ChopChop

Chloe’s probably scum in their scum chat.

@ChopChop

Until Chloe answers me, /Vote Chloe

@ChopChop

@Chloe
Did your action go through?

@ChopChop

WRONG

@ChopChop

Where’s this certainty coming from?
I’m 100% you didn’t do anything but drink with me last night!

@ChopChop

GOTTEM!

@ChopChop

Oh fuck

Votes

Details

@ChopChop

There probably was a convert

@Braixen

Possessed is acting like they were converted

He also claimed Jailed.
/Vote Braixen

@ChopChop

Until Chloe answers me, /Vote Chloe

@ChopChop

/Vote Napoleon

@ChopChop

/Vote Braix

@ChopChop

/vote Napoleon

Sorry @Chloe but this needs to be pressured!

@ChopChop

/vote Richard

@ChopChop

/Vote Braxian

@ChopChop

/Vote EVO

@ChopChop

/vote Braix

@ChopChop

/Vote Vulgard

They were actually probably converted and not Chloe.

My thoughts
Null/ Good
This slot has me confused. The “attack” on me seemed extremely genuine, which is why I have them as a townlean. However… they just seem to hop on every wagon without though - and this concerns me.

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EVO

No claim

Actions
Unknown
Reads and Reasoning
Good

Evil

• Wazza

@EVO

wazza claimed Hunter, no CC afaik, poss is just not a good lynch for today imo, he reacts to a lot of stuff very openly, and I think more time with him can be insightful

• Marshal

@EVO

Marshal you did this yesterday when questioning me on a supposed fake read where you ignored my response then pushed on the subject again implying I did not respond, is this some kind of tactic?

@EVO

I know Marshal likes to power role a lot both as town and scum, but people should really consider pressuring him as much as he pressures others, as letting him have the benefit of the doubt and leading discussion sometimes can be damaging to thread-state if he is not town.

• Braix

@EVO

Also, Braixen is scum. No argument, he scumslipped. It is what it is. But he may have also slipped being bussed, which Marshal and Alice were the ones pressuring the most at that moment, out of the two, I’d say that casts suspicion on Marshal because he gave scum! braix a chance to explain “his meaning” of bussing

Readslists

Details

First

Second

Third

Fourth

Fifth

Sixth

@EVO

/Unvote

Seventh

@EVO

Reads In Basic Format

Towncore

• Italy
• Vulgard
• Napoleon

Townleans

• Alice
• Chloe
• folaccount
• SDA (?)

Scumleans

• Poss
• Gypyx

Nullcore

• Ami
• PoisonedSquid
• DryBones
• CRich <-----NK Candidate, but likely not groupscum
• Wazza

Killzone

• Braix
• Marshal

This is the best I can express even a little bit of what I am thinking rn, but tbh if DryBones is town I really hope this is just FPS

Eighth

Ninth

Tenth

Notes

• Did a giant fucin wallpost (starts here):

@EVO

Highlighted texts are meant to put specific parts of posts under scrutiny.

• loves to ping others (Vul quite a bit) for thoughts
• posts a shit ton of memes

Votes

@EVO

/Vote Braixen

@EVO

/unvote

@EVO

/Vote DryBones
I’m comfortable parking here for now.

@EVO

/Vote Marshal
TBH Nappy might have a point that this guy is openwolving

@EVO

/Unvote

@EVO

/Vote Ami

@EVO

nah she is literally almost towncore, but the wall against an Ami lynch when Ami has had so much fluff and refuses reads and is in her scum range, i cant ignore that

@EVO

/Unvote

@EVO

/Vote Ami

@EVO

/Vote EVO

@EVO

/Vote Ami
yeah, this was the original plan anyway, this or Braix is fine for me to park on until we get my towncore back online

@EVO

/Vote Marshal

@EVO

/Vote Braix if not already

My thoughts
Null/Evil
This slot confuses me. He’s acting so different from his recent Demon game, but I don’t know how he acts as groupscum. I dislike his read on Marshal, and I dislike the amount of times he switches votes. Along with this, he memes a shit ton. He loves to ping Vul for help, and I have a scumlean on Vul. Not liking this slot

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[Vulgard]

@folaccount

marshall hard defending braixen when they should be evaluating the slot where they failed a reaction test in a most horrible way doesn’t really vibe with me
this only works if the conviction is tmi
if marshall is wrong then they’re just wrong

Actually an excellent point right there, but you’ve heard this from me for a long while so I’m at risk of sounding like a broken record.

@Chloe

Possessed - scum -> townread -> scum

Yet… he didn’t push Possessed at all. That’s what giving me pause here. Why is Marshal not pushing his wolfreads? He didn’t push me over Braixen day 2, either.

@Chloe

Good

• Wazza
• Napoleon
• Possessed
• Ami

They just don’t flip W

I chuckled.

@Chloe

• Important post below:

BORGAR

ipAJGOKGNEGE.

@Possessed

Marshal is without a doubt setting up the pathway to MLs but until someone besides me and EVO realize it…nothing will get done.

@Possessed

How do I know this? Marshal has pressured me to re-evaluate my reads but has refused to do the same. He’s ignored any AI tells in my play and has been relentless on the pressure. That’s actually how I play scum, so of course ill notice it in others.

And Poss is wolfreading Marshal back, yet still… same thing applies. I don’t get it. When did they stop wolfreading each other? It makes me think they were playing theater with one another.

Could DryBones be NE? I’m wondering.

[Chloe]

@Chloe

Wazza & Alice (Wazza became scum-read, see below)

also this should be Wazza and Ami - in Vul’s reads & reasonings - my bad

[Vulgard]

I forgot these two were wolfreading each other and randomly stopped, and now they seem to be buddy-buddy with each other. It feels really off.

[EVO]

Haven’t read up yet, but I want to be clear, Italy should I comment on our jail situation or wait till I read?

[Vulgard]

And there’s also the fact I played a game recently where two wolves did pretty much the exact same thing. They hard distanced early, but when push came to shove, they stopped pushing each other and started treating each other like townreads voting-wise and all.

[EVO]

@Italy

[Vulgard]

You should definitely say why you didn’t say a thing in jail. I pointed out earlier how it could be because you wanted to be executed and give MM to someone else.

[EVO]

Let him respond, idk if fps is going on

[Chloe]

i love first person shooters

[Possessed]

God this is some quality content.

And tbh this whole time I was evidently convinced Folaccount was Paladin or Cult and I was half right…he WAS softing his class and that’s why I wanted him to full out it.

[Chloe]

I think you were in the right. But I also heavily townread him.

[Vulgard]

@Arete

No logs were found.

I’m peeved we don’t know who was convert-proof and who was his greenpeek.

[Chloe]

also OCD and Forum Mafia are like 2 peas in a pod