[FoL] Forum of Lies 27 - 10 day FoL (2/18) - Blue Dragon win

I actually hate when Kings hide this when they die.

Has Gypyx been talking much? I havenā€™t seen much in the way of reads coming from him.

My ideal Invest checklist:
Alice (for potential convert)
Vulgard (for potential convert)
Ami
SDA
Wazza

Who id like hung today:
CRich
Braixen
Folacvount

Who Iā€™m still weary of:
Marshal

Who I believe is undoubtedly town:
Napoleon
Drybones
Chloe
Italy (obviously)

Nope, nothing. We made him aware heā€™s getting no heal and he just disappeared after that.

See this is the sort of behavior that makes me think he is EK resigned to his fate.

Well if heā€™s EK, he might not even be actually bled. We should expect some shenanigans from him before the end of the day if thatā€™s the case.

Weā€™ll find out in 27 hours from now if Gypyx was bled for real or not.

Anyway itā€™s close to bedtime where I am. Cya later everyone.

You never know until you try :eyes:

Youā€™re making a mistake towncoring him this early. He gets a lot of townreads as a wolf just by being himself.

Now thatā€™s spicy. Please case him for me. And yes, I do read your cases and think about them. The only reason Iā€™m not wolfreading CRich is because heā€™s just not playing like a wolf at his level most likely would be playing.

Like, I frankly donā€™t believe a CRich who rands wolf for the first time ever in his games here manages to perfectly imitate his town meta. I havenā€™t seen notable differences in his posts between his towngame and this game, and if he managed to achieve that as a wolf, I will be impressed.

Heā€™s still a mechsolver above all else, and uses many more ToL concepts than necessary or even desired in a game of FoL, but that doesnā€™t make him a wolf.

His scumread on me is on false presumption and he refuses to acknowledge the idea that if he was softing paladin, scum caught it. He continues to ride this presumption while only listening to his take on the situation ā€œbecause heā€™s this super experienced FM godā€ but it clearly shows he doesnā€™t understand the concept behind FoL, which is different than FM.

He wonā€™t out any gamesolving info his class may present. Heā€™s very likely to flip groupscum.

Its not hard to imitate a wolfy meta if you do t know how to act otherwise.

One way or another, I believe heā€™s with-holding info because he thinks scum might obtain it.

News flash: If he is, heā€™s already GAVE THEM THE INFO THEY NEED. ITS US THAT NEEDS THE INFO.

I think thatā€™s the ā€œthingā€ with reading Marshal. Heā€™s extraordinarily good at being himself in a game of mafia. And his self happens to be quite chaotic (no offense), so what you get when heā€™s playing mafia is a wolfy villager if heā€™s villaging (because of the chaos, recklessness, and tunnely nature of his play); or a villagery wolf if heā€™s wolfing (no differences in tone, still chaotic and reckless, different POV but perfectly capable of using his chaotic nature to disguise his agenda). Players like him are inherently wildcards and notoriously difficult to read because of their emotion-directed gameplay, tendency to gambit and screw around, and highposting.

Iā€™d say the best way to read Marshal is to see if heā€™s legitimately getting anything done. If heā€™s lynching villagers and nothing else, heā€™s wolfing (assuming he influenced the lynches in any way, but even if he seemingly didnā€™t, be wary). This also applies to katze and Firekitten. Their playstyle makes them near-impossible to figure out otherwise.

And Iā€™m wolfreading him here because quite frankly, I think his attempts to form an u n s h a k e a b l e v i l l a g e c o r e this early on (day 1!!!) are agenda bullshit and not overconfident townreads from a villager.

Exactly why I SR him.

That, and his progression on his reads are all over the place.

And also because of a few other posts Iā€™ve found wolfy, like preflips and attempts to set up chainlynches without flips.

I kinda felt like you two were disagreeing on principle, but I didnā€™t infer anything AI from that. In fact, I still donā€™t really see itā€¦ :upside_down_face:

Its potentially AI because I believe he has game info but heā€™s with-holding it. Why? To appear like Iā€™m correct without confirming it?

And the progression on the scumread isā€¦awful. Alice feeding him made him think his logic is right, which baffles me because Alice knows that a class soft in this game is a death sentence if Protectives donā€™t pick it up.

Hence why I believe Alice could be the convert and she should be checked.