[FoL] Forum of Lies 27 - 10 day FoL (2/18) - Blue Dragon win

[Marshal]

sfol 58 iirc

[Alice]

@Vulgard

You pushed some people early because you didn’t like the fact they were townread by meta, then you were suspected for the push, then you got heated over your push target being cleared by meta, then you started AtEing.

Has he been fighting against clears here as well? Only one I’ve seen so far is that he refuses to consider the possibility that Luxy was a GK.

[Vulgard]

@Marshal

what are your thoughts if it is
say they both died rn and flipped v. Who do you suspect

Nobody specific? They are easy to push here regardless of one’s alignment. If anything, I’d be suspicious of competent villagers who I previously read village and who still pushed on one or both of the slots without re-evaluating. But that’s an imaginary scenario and I don’t like imaginary scenarios unless I’m forced to plan way ahead.

[Vulgard]

@Chloe

Has he been fighting against clears here as well?

Against clearing his push target, yes.

[Vulgard]

@Chloe

When was his last game as a wolf?

Technically Evolution Mafia, but he replaced out.
Also Virtuous was recent and he was alive in there for a while.

[Vulgard]

There’s something here I don’t really understand. Possessed was widely wolfread yesterday, some people advocated for a jail on him and maybe even an execution. Yet now, after he was jailed and we’re missing a nightkill, nobody wants to wagon him despite the fact I’ve been advocating for it?

Something’s off.

[Vulgard]

It’s as if he were modpeeked as BD at SoD. I don’t get it.

[Marshal]

i want him gone but when i do he calls me a lazy bad player

[Marshal]

it hurts my feelings less to wagon evo and it’s like only a few hours away from SoD so i value my feelings over starting that wagon

[Vulgard]

For some reason I find the above post wolfy af.

[Marshal]

why

[Wazza]

My gut feeling is strange with you, Vulgard.

Your posts read as Towny to me but my gut is telling me otherwise.

Why shouldn’t I bleed you today?

[Alice]

@Vulgard

@Chloe

Vulgard obvtown himself in allies chat.

I know you’ve been reading me V for a while, but I would like to know why Allies chat specifically did it for you.

@Napoleon

Two main reasons TBH:

1. I’ve had difficulty in organizing scumreads so last night I decided to re-eval clean. I’m still leaning Alice town because I don’t think she would necessarily be that bold and I did agree with her point that it seemed sort of strange that she was the consensus townread. With that said, back on point, I’ve found several people more townie than you which is why I have them higher up my “Alice list” which I had constructed last night.
2. I don’t really know how to read you that well but I think I trust Alice’s “soulread” on you which is why I think you have decent scum equity here.
3. I also voted you to create a counterwagon. I also had the feeling that there is a deepwolf somewhere that’s infiltrated our towncore because the scumread list felt too consensus. I’m creating this counter wagon to see who votes on it tbh. I acknowledge that DryBones/Braixen is likely not W/W.

There is a deepwolf candidate that I have in mind but I want to hold it for now until I see what happening. I’m liking some of the interactions I’m seeing right now tbh and I will probably come out with it soon.

@ChopChop

Over CRichard564?

My suspect that I have yet to announce is related to this. But to put it out short, I think the bleed on Luxy was legitimate based on his reaction to it. On the contrary, while I initially suspected CRichard to be the likely bleeder, I don’t think his reaction is any way signatory of that. Also he’s directly in his town meta and is playing like a typical ToL townie. Also, I don’t think that even in ToL, they are the type of person to really bleed King that early, knowing from how it’s related to this.

I think it’s more likely that DryBones/Braixen isn’t W/W and I want to see who votes on each wagon since you both are in my scumreads, albeit individually.

I don’t think Napoleon writes this post as a wolf. It contains too many thoughts which are disconnected from one another and there is a healthy amount of solvey motivation / uncertainty here. From my experience Napoleon does not weigh his options nearly as much as a wolf and ends up being more certain with less volume.

Comparing that post with this where he was a wolf in SFoL58.
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/sfol-sfol-58-virtuous-ii-return-of-the-fallen-finale-day-5-4-16-imperial-triumph-the-hand-of-byzantium-the-fool-and-the-strigoi-win/80549/857?u=alice

He was frequently struggling to make conclusions there, here he looks to be speaking out his thoughts more openly and whatnot. I’m strengthening my V-read on him atp.

[Alice]

@Vulgard

There’s something here I don’t really understand. Possessed was widely wolfread yesterday, some people advocated for a jail on him and maybe even an execution. Yet now, after he was jailed and we’re missing a nightkill , nobody wants to wagon him despite the fact I’ve been advocating for it?

Something’s off.

We spent much of the day today discussing about Braixen, so that distracted us from Poss.

[Vulgard]

I think it’s a motivation thing? It’s like “I’m not going to wagon that guy because it makes me feel bad so haha I’ll wagon someone else and come back to Possessed later.”

If Possessed/EVO are V this looks really wolfy.

[Wazza]

@Vulgard answer my question. Why shouldn’t I bleed you today?

[Vulgard]

Might be because I did the same bullshit in LotR, but that’s fallacious because we’re not the same person and I shouldn’t read Marshal as wolf because I do the same stuff as wolf.

Still don’t like him though.

[Vulgard]

Why are you reading me W? I’m way outside of my wolfrange.

[Wazza]

I’m reading you as T. I’m gutreading you as W.

@Wazza

Your posts read as Towny to me but my gut is telling me otherwise.

[Vulgard]

Point me to one deep read I’ve fabricated as a wolf and I’ll reconsider my stance on my slot. I really struggle with that when I’m wolfing.