[FoL] Forum of Lies 27 - 10 day FoL (2/18) - Blue Dragon win

Like, I frankly don’t believe a CRich who rands wolf for the first time ever in his games here manages to perfectly imitate his town meta. I haven’t seen notable differences in his posts between his towngame and this game, and if he managed to achieve that as a wolf, I will be impressed.

He’s still a mechsolver above all else, and uses many more ToL concepts than necessary or even desired in a game of FoL, but that doesn’t make him a wolf.

His scumread on me is on false presumption and he refuses to acknowledge the idea that if he was softing paladin, scum caught it. He continues to ride this presumption while only listening to his take on the situation “because he’s this super experienced FM god” but it clearly shows he doesn’t understand the concept behind FoL, which is different than FM.

He won’t out any gamesolving info his class may present. He’s very likely to flip groupscum.

Its not hard to imitate a wolfy meta if you do t know how to act otherwise.

One way or another, I believe he’s with-holding info because he thinks scum might obtain it.

News flash: If he is, he’s already GAVE THEM THE INFO THEY NEED. ITS US THAT NEEDS THE INFO.

I think that’s the “thing” with reading Marshal. He’s extraordinarily good at being himself in a game of mafia. And his self happens to be quite chaotic (no offense), so what you get when he’s playing mafia is a wolfy villager if he’s villaging (because of the chaos, recklessness, and tunnely nature of his play); or a villagery wolf if he’s wolfing (no differences in tone, still chaotic and reckless, different POV but perfectly capable of using his chaotic nature to disguise his agenda). Players like him are inherently wildcards and notoriously difficult to read because of their emotion-directed gameplay, tendency to gambit and screw around, and highposting.

I’d say the best way to read Marshal is to see if he’s legitimately getting anything done. If he’s lynching villagers and nothing else, he’s wolfing (assuming he influenced the lynches in any way, but even if he seemingly didn’t, be wary). This also applies to katze and Firekitten. Their playstyle makes them near-impossible to figure out otherwise.

And I’m wolfreading him here because quite frankly, I think his attempts to form an u n s h a k e a b l e v i l l a g e c o r e this early on (day 1!!!) are agenda bullshit and not overconfident townreads from a villager.

Exactly why I SR him.

That, and his progression on his reads are all over the place.

And also because of a few other posts I’ve found wolfy, like preflips and attempts to set up chainlynches without flips.

I kinda felt like you two were disagreeing on principle, but I didn’t infer anything AI from that. In fact, I still don’t really see it… :upside_down_face:

Its potentially AI because I believe he has game info but he’s with-holding it. Why? To appear like I’m correct without confirming it?

And the progression on the scumread is…awful. Alice feeding him made him think his logic is right, which baffles me because Alice knows that a class soft in this game is a death sentence if Protectives don’t pick it up.

Hence why I believe Alice could be the convert and she should be checked.

I do want him to start posting more. If he’s a player with experience, he should be way more solvey than he has been so far. Lack of familiarity with the setup aside, it’s not like he can’t make social reads on people.

Ah, the wolves have joined the chat.

  1. Marshal asked to be bled
  2. I did now retribution was removed and I just misread what marshal was saying.

UwU

He did solve. He’s pre-flipped me as scum and told me I should “keep that info to myself” because he thinks he knows how to properly play a game where your life is reliant on the correct players guessing who will be attacked at each given night.

Am I still voting myself lmao

Can you point me to the exact moment where you think he preflipped you as wolf?

Like lets say I am Prince and I make a comment like “Don’t worry, (insert players name) shouldn’t be doing anything tonight”…some players might interpret that as a Butler claim and ignore it. Others players might completely skip over it and ignore it. Few might pick up the potential for this slot to be Prince, but alas…in this current situation only town invests pick it up.

You know who 98% of the time pick it up? Scum, specifically group scum. They bounce ideas off each other. “Do you guys think this is Butler or Prince?” “I say Prince, lets kill tonight.”

Prince dies that night, no heals or protects. Players shouldn’t be softing their class; its much more dangerous than open claiming it. All I did was make him aware of this and he refuses to acknowledge it, then progresses it to a weak case for a scumread.

Also, I asked Wazza to solve and he completely dipped. It’s like Ami when I attacked her early into day 1. I don’t know what they’re doing.

I’m playing ToL heck off.