[FoL] Forum of Lies 29 - OVER (9/18) - CULT FOOL WIN

[Vulgard]

@Amelia

Hey guys

Can we not replace out excessively

Or use grand trial D2

Or have a perfect scum win

Thanks in advance :^)

@Amelia

JoaT9

I learned that town really CAN do strange stuff sometimes

Also that I need to post more as scoom

…Well, that’s a broken promise right there.

@Amelia

TBE is easily my top townread. His posts are super pure and his reads feel very fleshed out compared to his scum game in BotF3 where they were pretty weak early on.

Aside from that, I also like you, Centuries and PKR.

I initially had calculus as a scum lean, but he’s gone up to a townlean.

Because calculus has gone up… I honestly have no scum reads right now.

At least she has actually given reads this game, which is a step up from her recent games.

@Amelia

Seriously

I haven’t got a good idea of it yet, as I have said.

I won’t magically have a scum read upon your asking.

Type of response feels towny (antagonistic), tone feels wolfy (I remember scum Amelia being very haughty).

@Amelia

If I remember correctly from SFoL 62 PK was pretty self aware so I don’t think it’s quite as scum indicative?

Probably a bad look depending on PK’s flip.

I’m torn. I feel like she’s both improved and degraded in comparison to the last towngame I saw from her. She has actually given reads, but her tone is meh and consistent with her wolf tone when she wasn’t in the best mental state (no offense, obviously). Also, barely anyone is talking about her, which could be a coincidence, but also a bad sign.

I wish there was a bounty on her, since that could help remove her from PoE one way or another.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

Probably a bad look depending on PK’s flip.

I meant “possibly.”

Italy has no game-relevant posts d1, but most of his d2 posts have been game-relevant, which is a decent look. Don’t think he’s super engaged, but he’s at least somewhat engaged. Lean town for that reason.

Really thin read, though, so if he doesn’t do more, he’s back to null.

@Italy

i will say, however, that this is the dumbest question i have ever seen
wazza clearly said right then and there “i have a redcheck” and this only serves to either be a completely useless question or shoot down an RT

This post especially makes me lean him town because of the antagonism. I don’t think I’ve ever seen wolf Italy directly call someone a dumbass before. Would be quite bold of him, I think, unless someone can quote an example where he did that before.

[Vulgard]

I’ll be honest about Calculus straight up, the only two reasons I have reservations are: the fact he doesn’t have townreads and the fact he was jailed n1 with no second nightkill. The second thing means a lot less if it’s a Cult game, but otherwise, it’s a problem.

A part of me thinks that if he were scum, he’d at least try to have some townreads.

Also, pure tone. I think town overall unless it’s not a Cult game.

AT’s posts are just completely bizarre and I don’t like the fact they are kinda just existing without doing anything of note. Would like to see them put themselves out there a bit more.

/vote ATNoName

Or if you don’t, that’s fine too. That means you’re a frozen wolf who doesn’t care about solving the game, and you can eat rope. Nom.

[Vulgard]

@Soulshade55r What is your plan for this game? I’m not counting that “strategy” thing you posted earlier as a legitimate plan.

[Vulgard]

@Appelsiini

Leafia is >rand because I can apply her posts to both T!Leaf and Scum!Leaf. I wouldn’t feel confident drawing a conclusion at this point.

I would be all over that post if not for the fact Leafia flipped town. Not sure if Appel makes that kill? Maybe. Could be a way to remove someone you are hedging on.

@Appelsiini

To explain shortly, there is nothing wrong with Chloe’s posts when looking at them on the surface, but I can see some possible agenda stuff going on. Some of their posts seem like something I think a wolf would write.

You should definitely explain this, I initially missed this. I have no idea what “agenda” you’re talking about. Chloe has been really pure this game so far, and I don’t really sense a tone shift consistent with being converted.

Don’t like the fact she hasn’t voted anyone all game.

Some bizarre reads in here. Not scum indicative (she was misyeeted on that basis recently, as far as I recall), but suspicious when unexplained. I didn’t like Wazza’s read on Chloe whatsoever, since it seemed to be in bad faith; I don’t like this one either, though it’s less polished.

[Vulgard]

Below reads apply “unless converted.”

VVV: Arete, Centuries, Chloe, PokemonKidRyan (tone and behavior very consistent with his grandiose playstyle as town)
VV: Frostwolf103 (has written posts where he genuinely cares about the game), TBE
V: Italy, Wazza (don’t think he responds to my push the way he did as groupscum, really, and as neut it would be more bizarre I think)
W: Amelia (coasting and slightly wolfy tone), an_gorta_pratai (not really seeing how he’s towny unless Allies people have a solid case), Appelsiini (some super bizarre reads and lack of commitment to voting), PsychoKang (only here because of PKR’s unexplained check)
WW: ATNoName (getting coasting wolf vibes; with how I’m townreading so many of the high posters / stronger players, wolves might be doing exactly that), Soulshade55r (bizarre anti-town play, I keep flip-flopping on which perspective it makes sense from, but given the gamestate, it could just be Soul scum)

Neut read: katze

[Marshal]

IT’S 4:20 MY TIME.

AND IT’S HIGH TIME FOR HIGH FIERI

[Vulgard]

As usual, when I’m actually around to discuss stuff, no one else is. Sigh.

Wagon AT with me instead of keeping meme votes on me. I’m tired of people treating my slot as dead in the water when I’m trying to solve the game. Move your votes off a villager and listen to me for once instead of just ignoring me. That’s how town lost BfA.

The gamestate feels like wolves among the “weaker” players, considering I’ve read most of the active posters as villagers. I’m townreading most of the active posters, I don’t think I’m misclearing anyone that way. PK might be a wolf, honestly, I’m waiting for PKR to clarify his check or whatever the hell he has. I’m voting AT because he shows signs of coasting and after I interacted with him (briefly), he just stopped responding. I feel like he’s a bit frozen and that’s why his posts are so weird. He doesn’t know what to do in the thread, and feeling unwelcome in the thread is wolf indicative for newbies.

There’s maybe a possible convert among the higher posters (that’s what I would do as a wolf who’s kinda coasting), but convert hunting at this stage feels pointless.

[Frostwolf103]

It can be still unseen game I think since one attack is either occupied, healed or Knight defended someone succesfully but NK was on knight’s target and not got killed.

I may have something to do with that.

[PokemonKidRyan]

Does this mean you are claiming?

[PokemonKidRyan]

@Vulgard

I’m waiting for PKR to clarify his check or whatever the hell he has.

Should I just outright claim?
I am willing to but like why has nobody understood my claim?

You need to take another stab at these things guys. You are killing me… and I am not being offensive here I hope.

[Vulgard]

We are never going to make any progress on PK without you fullclaiming, I’m afraid. You kinda put yourself in a corner by claiming that it was solely a mechanical check. If you “scumread” PK instead, we probably wouldn’t be in this spot.

It is what it is.

[Vulgard]

TL;DR Yes, please. Unless you think you can get better responses from PK without saying what the “check” is.

Have you gleaned anything from his reactions?

[Soulshade55r]

@Vulgard

Soulshade55r (bizarre anti-town play, I keep flip-flopping on which perspective it makes sense from, but given the gamestate, it could just be Soul scum)

how have I been anti town?

Good morningnoon btw

[Soulshade55r]

@Vulgard

I have no idea if you would do this as scum. From my experience with scum!you, you don’t do borderline-openwolfy stuff. That said, it’s not good , and I could be getting bamboozled, so I’m voting you for now.

I’m not sure if I’m sold on the PsychoKang thing unless PKR is really sure that their check condemns him. Would be nice to get an actual response from PK there.

Legit confused how I’ve been acting “scummy” but go on.

[Soulshade55r]

@Chloe

okay so this dude apparently missed everything
and i believe it

I think I’ve missed parts of the game in general has made me confused I need to go back (I’m just lazy, but I also want to try at the same time).

[Soulshade55r]

@Vulgard

Actually my main issue was that you called me convert scum even though my post quality was dipping during day 1.

Which wouldn’t make sense in the bases of me being a convert “because my posts are bad, even though later day 1 posts were bad”

[Soulshade55r]

@Vulgard

@Soulshade55r What is your plan for this game? I’m not counting that “strategy” thing you posted earlier as a legitimate plan.

Didn’t know I needed a entire game plan, I just like baiting reactions to help with reads.

I’m generally not the best at making reads ect, but creating conversation on myself seems to help me a lot at looking at players motivation I find it a lot harder to look at other players interactions then interactions with directly myself if that makes sense.

[Soulshade55r]

Side note: I’ll be getting pkr out of the way today if I don’t call me a loser, but I’ll try making my classic random wall post

[PokemonKidRyan]

Princess. Killer or Offensive on PK.
I considered the chance of PK being innocent but I already scumread PK and so I was sure I should push it especially since it could be NK.

That way we reduce KPN and slow game to a halt which is an easy win this early on.