(FOL Only) Suggestions for Fool/Cowardly King/Kings in General

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#1

So, I was thinking recently that as the community has started to become more serious, I think we need to rethink a few of the roles classes. First up, Fool - As seen below :-

The Fool
Neutral Wildcard
Poor Fellow (Passive) - If you are executed, no-one may be executed for the next two days
Surprise Mojo (Night) - Occupy a player - Infinite Uses
Foolish (Night) - You will frame yourself tonight, you will appear evil to investigative classes - 2 uses
Your objective is to be executed for Treason

The main issue is with the ā€˜Poor Fellowā€™ passive. It punishes players for doing what they should be doing - killing the scum. This is considered a ā€˜Bastardā€™ role because of that, and frankly, shouldnā€™t be included in a serious social deduction game. However, the Fool has a loveable place in the community, and with some tweaking can still be a threat, but not horrendously busted as it is now

Poor Fellow: If voted for execution, those who condemned you to death (Voted Execute) will be unable to perform an action the following night and day. They also for feel too downhearted to vote the following day. Players unable to vote this way will not count towards that days majority

Next is this guy

The Cowardly King (Unofficial Class)
Neutral Special
Pass The Torch (Passive) - If you die, a new King will arise
Regrets (Passive) - If you are executed, the regret of killing an innocent coward will weigh upon everyone. The first person who voted up the cowardly king will die tonight. The King will also choose an heir from the grave who will be instantly made King and you will win if they survive.
The Royal Finger (Day) - Your vote for today counts as 2 votes - 1 Day Cooldown
Decide Fate (Day) - You may change the result of a trial - 1 Use
Dead Rage (Night) - When dead send a message it will be shown in the morning - 2 use
Guard! (Night) - Choose a player, they will not die tonight (Includes you) - 3 Uses
Your objective is to remain alive until the game ends

For the most part, Iā€™m OK with this role class as it stops people hating on neutral kings ā€˜Because they are neutralā€™. However, it has no mechanism for dealing with a Neutral king ā€˜Gone Rogueā€™. I suggest adding the following passive

Tainted: If you vote to execute two Blue Dragon players, or use Force Verdict to execute a Blue Dragon Player, you will become a Tainted King.

Tainted King will be the same as a Cowardly King except without the ā€˜Regretā€™ passive - and the butler will not feel guilty about killing them

Now onto my general King suggestion. The King is a bit of a protect Class in game, a bit too much in my opinion. I feel it needs the following passive added to all Kings.

Tyrant: If force verdict is used, the King may be voted for treason as normal, regardless of game day (IE: Before Day 4)

Any feedback on this will be appreciated :slight_smile:

#2

maybe, since cowardly king is only FoL, make it so its at the game-modā€™s discretion as to when hes actively working with evil, or hes being duped into working for evil

#3

:o Seems good actually, Iā€™ll talk it over with the team ;D

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#4

The problem is that would always be an opinion, and opinions should be avoided in rules as much as possible, especially on subjective matters as judging someoneā€™s motive

#5

I agree with the last part.

However, I dislike the name, as I think the NK king should be the tyrant king.

#6

Thanks

#7

Tyrant was just a placeholder passive name,but thanks for the support.

#8

Our NK king is a rainbow psychopathic king

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#9

I recommend something such as ā€œby popular opinionā€ or something like that

I know but I think it should be called tyrant king

#10

Class*

Please get it rightā€¦ pleaseā€¦

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#11
  1. who said role?
  2. Why do you care if people say ā€œroleā€? they are literally the same thing
#12

Read the OP.

I care because theyā€™re not called roles, theyā€™re called Classes.

#13

Corrected for you daddy.

#14

The Psychopathic King (Unofficial Class)

Neutral Special
Pass The Torch (Passive) - If you die, a new King will arise
Insanity (Passive) - You are night immune
The Royal Finger (Day) - Your vote for today counts as 2 votes - 1 Day Cooldown
Decide Fate (Day) - You may change the result of a trial - 1 Use
Personal Execution (Night) - Send a guard to kill a player - Infinite Uses
Your objective is to Eliminate the Blue Dragon, the Unseen, the Cult and any Neutrals who stand in your way

RainBows are the fucking best fite me

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#15

You know that people mean the same thing though when they say roles, right? It really doesnā€™t matter; I prefer saying classes, but I donā€™t care if they say roles.

You can do rainbows and tyrants together

#16

Tempting offer there

#17

There is a difference between role and class.

Role implies they have one job.

Class implies it has multiple skills/tools.

But Xblade has also stated numerous times he would much prefer the use of Class over role to differentiate his game from those that use role.

#18

Should put a word filter on it

Any feedback on the idea?

#19

Itā€™s not against the rules to say role though but we are more than obliged to correct the usage.

Itā€™s the arguing we donā€™t want. So if someone corrects your word usage from role to class, thereā€™s really no need to go all ā€œI donā€™t care blah blah role blah classā€ lookingatyounorm

#20

I never said ā€œrole.ā€

but in any case, I understand xbladeā€™s which and will comply. if you say ā€œroleā€ people just think of ToS