Forum of Lies Blue Dragon Killer Competition

[Wazza]

@orangeandblack5 If you don’t mind, could you possibly give an analysis on the new Firebrand?

You don’t have to since it’s judging time anyway.

[Wazza]

@Geyde

The Firebrand

Blue Dragon Killer
Cuts and Scars (Passive) - You are immune to bleeding.
Fire Thrower (Day) - Set a player on fire, they will die at the end of tonight. - 1 use.
Deathmark (Night) - Deathmark a player. - 3 uses.
Final Burn Out (Night) - Kill all deathmarked players. - 1 use.
Your objective is to defeat the Unseen or Cult and any Neutrals that seek to do you harm.

Converts into The Firebreather or The Acolyte
Cult Points: 2 - Each ability costs 1
(Fire Thrower) Mithras Burn (Day) - Set a player on fire, they will die at the end of the night.- 1 use.
Two Cult Point Alt Ability:
(Deathmark + Final Burn Out) Mithras’ Targets - Deathmark a player and kill all current death marked players. - 1 use.

The Firebreather

Unseen Killer
Cuts and Scars (Passive) - You are immune to bleeding.
Feet of Fire (Day) - If target player attempts to use an action today, they will be prevented from doing so. - 2 uses.
Fire Thrower (Day) - Set a player on fire, they will die at the end of tonight. - 1 use.
Marksman (Night) - Deathmark a player. - 3 uses.
Final Burn Out (Night) - Kill all deathmarked players. - 1 use.
Your objective is to defeat the Blue Dragon and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

Should note some things about the class:

• The Unseen version shares their use abilities with their BD counterpart apart from Fire Thrower .
• Final Burn Out and it’s counterparts bypass night immunity and can only be stopped by healing.

The Firebreather

Unseen Support
Cuts and Scars (Passive) - You are immune to bleeding.
Arsonist Flames (Passive) - Once you become the Assassin, you will gain one extra use of Rupture.
Feet of Fire (Day) - If target player attempts to use an action today, they will be prevented from doing so. - 2 uses.
Marksman (Night) - Deathmark a player, if the Assassin attacks them it will bypass night immunity. - 3 uses.
Flame Gas (Night) - Prevent all investigative abilities to all Unseen players tonight. - 1 use.
Your objective is to defeat the Blue Dragon and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

Also @Geyde you might want to update this with the New Firebrand since I updated it before the time limit expired.

[Meteoro]

@Geyde

The Enchanter

You might want to use the enchanter version I edited yesterday too

[orangeandblack5]

Remind me this weekend?

I have a busy week and already spent a long time on this all lol

[Wazza]

Will do.

[Unknown]

@orangeandblack5

Bribed

Distracted By Wealth is an interesting downside, but I’m not sure this is strong enough on its own to need it, especially because, after the Prince is dead, this class is almost entirely useless.
This is a downside that can be overcome. Don’t forget - it’s just an occupy so Urgency and Decap can bypass it.

I Am No Assassin is definitely significantly more manageable than trying to replace the Assassin with a new killer, I guess.

Escort is gonna just lead to MM baiting Prince into jailing them. Not sure I like that at all.
MM baiting Prince can backfire(e.g. public execution) and the jailkill, if it isn’t game over, will make the MM a big suspect.

Urgency is cool for the extra likelihood of getting a kill off in a dire situation, I guess, but I just don’t know that this is strong enough to make up for missing an Assassin post-Prince.
The Prince is a dangerous enemy. This class has a different focus. But … making a kill more reliable isn’t bad, especially if the game is near end.

Decapitation is literally useless once Prince is dead. That isn’t great. Sure, you can kill the Prince if they weren’t already dead, but still.
Yes. It can help the Unseen enormously. If the Prince is dead Unseen is already in a better spot… and this has another ability. An unlimited ability.
Death To The Blue Dragon! should probably just be a Mafioso-style ability instead, honestly.
No thanks. The attacks would become near un-preventable.

@orangeandblack5

Cult Alts

Bloody Punishment is really strong, being just a free kill. This is on top of Hunt Associates, which is more kills.
Yeah…
Determine Habits is significantly stronger on a scum class that wants to go after unconverted people.
Yes…
Hunt Associates is not weak, as any BDI that outs their check for any reason has just sentenced them to death. Not sure if I’m okay with this or not. However, the other two Cult Alts are, in my opinon, too much on top of this for sure.Yeah - should have been one use.

Comments in italics!

[Solic]

Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean no reviewing is being done.

Also I’m literally 24.

[Emilia]

@Solic

Also I’m literally 24.

I have info that says otherwise

[Solic]

I’m too mean to be an adult?

[orangeandblack5]

Just because I don’t see it doesn’t mean I didn’t literally just finish doing that and realized it took like nine hours

Are you guys really sacrificing your whole day today? lol ok

[Solic]

Submissions have been pouring in for more time than that and there is no need to actually give feedback on each submission, since for some it is quite easy to say how viable it is and what ideas of it are useful. And yes, I did spend some time this weekend on it.

[Solic]

I mean thanks for your work, but don’t backhand us in the same breath please.

[orangeandblack5]

Fair enough

I wouldn’t have because edits but to each their own

[orangeandblack5]

I’m not?

[Solic]

Kids just feels patronizing. That’s all

[orangeandblack5]

Oh

lol

I say that literally all the time, to everybody, irl and online

Not at all targeted

[orangeandblack5]

[Solic]

I’m not quickly offended. How could you think that? How dare you!

[Emilia]

[Emilia]

He has millions of souls to boost his work