How to play BD Killers properly

#1

Note: This guide is not for Prince.

If you are playing Hunter and especially if you are playing Knight you may have asked what it is you are supposed to do.

The first mistake players make is playing these classes like killers whose job it is to go out and shoot bad guys. This will get you killed or BD killed because you don’t have any information others don’t and if a bad guy is outed then he is killed in the day.

The second mistake is playing like Support. As Knight this makes sense. You have sacrifice so you may as well use it. As Hunter you should not be playing passively. Your job is not to stay alive either.

So what is your job? You need to play agressivly during the day. You think someone is suspicious? Don’t kill him yourself. Instead whisper him for a claim and tell him he will die otherwise. Your weapon is a bargaining chip more than anything.

If you do this right then everyone quickly learns that you are Knight and you have plenty of Information to work with. From there you can start actualy using that sword of yours to do some damage.

#2

I think I know why you made this guide.

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#3

It was because I was board in class.

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#4

I see! Well, good guide anyways.

#5

For realz I just hate people saying that Knight is boring.

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#6

Uhhh if someone aggressively threatened me with a knight claim, I’m not going to claim to them.

#7

Then you’re going to be put up on the stand and have to claim to everyone.

#8

If there is no basis for accusation (which a knight typically doesn’t have), you shouldn’t claim or be put on the stand. If I’m prince and knight whisps me that I better claim to him or he CS’es me, I’ll let him CS me and I’m not outing myself to him. Knight can support known BD roles by guarding and CSing quiet players lategame/sus claims if there is no prince. I see zero basis for why I should claim to a knight.

If I would be put on the stand for not claiming to a knight, I’ll find that even worse than: “He’s occupy immune, GET HIM, HE’S MM!”

#9

I would never expect someone to be put on the stand for not claiming to the knight.

#10

Remember that them refusing to claim is still Information. Especially because it’s risky for Unseen/Cult

#11

the knight has this second button which alot of people tend to push. It’s called Cold Steel. He should be quiet about his refusal to claim then CS. Also the prince in your scenario is kinda stupid as it kills a BD

#12

If you think thier refusal is a sign of a Prince or other BD you could always just not CS them. The strat is to SAY you will CS them. Wether they actually do should be decided by scumreading.

#13

It’s interesting that the consensus so far is that the information that you are the knight is not worth anything and can just be whispered on a whim to try and gather information. You might just give cult/unseen their next convert or have narrowed it down for NK to find prince.

Secondly, the knight is not one of the proveable claims, hence it’s fake claimed a ton. If someone healed me and asks for my class. Sure, that makes sense I have had some confirmation to believe he’s telling the truth. Was I changed target to someone, he claims drunk and asks for my class. Did a princess wisp me and knows that I visited her. Did an observer know who I visited. All of these things have one thing in common. You give away some information that the other person knows to be true and then you ask for some of their information. Aggressively threatening someone with one of your skills is something that is way more suited for the offensive classes, but showcasing this as THE strategy to play is flawed. It is your strategy and it has pro’s and con’s just like any other.

A sheriff could do the same thing, “Claim to me or I check you”. How is this scenario any different than a knight using this strategy. Or you actually believe this is a valid thing for the sheriff to do as well?

@Ami How is the prince stupid? He doesn’t know knight is actually knight, he has zero basis for that.

#14

That’s very Anti-BD, especially if you are already a confirmable class.

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#15

Because he can just jail the Knight claim and save their life or why they were threatening you instead of confirming an already non-convertable class that’s BD and self-confirmable.
It wastes a Knight.

#16

You should play agressivly whenever you have leverage. That does not just have to be conformability. It could also mean Immunity or in the case of Knight or butler a harmful Ability.

I actually think that Sheriff/Pally and CW are the only 2 BD that you can’t play particularly agressivly with in the day (and Hunter is the king of doing so having all 3 types of leverage). I’d do this Strategy as an unconfirmed Physician even because when Unseen see someone playing agressivly their first thought is “POISON HIM!”. Even as the CW and Sheriff you can play like this the second you get town credit.

The reason why this applies spacificaly to Knight and Hunter is because those classes have core Ability’s that are ONLY useful if used this way.

And Incase you are wondering. Yes this works. Yes I do it a lot. It still works if you are converted. You example despite being the worst example possable is still a somewhat legit play.

#17

TBH this is the one situation where ToS vigilante is better than Knight. Vig killing town means that his threat is more meaningful.

#18

U boarding some airplanes?

#19

No like as in a wooden board.

#20

No, what’s very anti-BD is outing you’re prince to everyone who asks, even though they have zero confirmability or town cred. If the knight publicly claims a CS on an assassin, it’s a different story, but we are not talking about just that specific scenario. Typically it’d be early to mid game, the lifespan of a knight, and I think it’s horrible to float your prince claim to everyone like that. If the knight is actually so stupid as to CS anyone that doesn’t claim to you, it at least confirms you to the court and you will not be put on the stand, where you have to claim prince publicly.

Another thing is that announcing your CS can go terribly wrong, especially in a cult game. You’re just setting yourself up to be ritualist swapped, or invoker redirected.

Note that I’m not saying that playing aggressively as a knight is wrong period. I’m saying that it’s wrong to showcase that as the only strategy for playing BD killers throughout each phase of the game.

A hunter is a different story, because he can prove himself by wolving somebody, or by calling out another false hunter claim. Plus he also has a means to protect himself from conversion.