Hydra Jailkeeper 9 - Town win!

[Possessed]

Facts too much for you

[sulit]

sure I will make a case on why I am town

I have never done this before it should be fun

[katze]

you’re gonna follow this up with a very sarcastic post aren’t you

[sulit]

no

[Possessed]

Sarcastic Post Here

[Possessed]

Anyways I gotta get up for work in 7 hours, gonna attempt to get 5 hours of sleep

You can take it from here Sulit

[sulit]

Sleep is good

[Possessed]

Sleep is best

[Chloe]

im ready for a juicy orange wallpost

[katze]

orange: types
everybody:

[N.1]

[SirDerpsAlot]

He’s just gonna yell at Vul or smn

[ChopChop]

Orange is Typing…

[ChopChop]

Now Orange Stopped

[Firekitten]

@vulgard @SirDerpsAlot

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-dPLCQDfIoY

[SirDerpsAlot]

Why

[Firekitten]

You know exactly why

[orangeandblack5]

@eevee

Uhm, what.

My point is that you wanted to get information of N.1 slot, but stopped pushes on them.

What that has anything to do with me and where?

that simply wasn’t my intent, not sure why spelling it out for you doesn’t seem to be working

@Arete

@Vulgard has replaced in for Marshal as the second head of the hydra

neat someone who won’t pull a shinji on us

unfortunately their first wall is underwhelming

tangent - fuck Discourse’s dumbass quote limits, actual incompetence on the part of the devs there

@Vulgard

i’m fairly confident orange is trying to control the thread narrative from the start because he feels like he can get away with it
his pushes feel like they were made in bad faith and they also smell of tryharding. let me bring one up

@Vulgard

like
this is way too much way too early and it feels like needlessly pushing himself into the “discussion leader” position when it’s not needed at all
i will admit i have never seen orange villaging (or i have but i promptly forgot), but i still get bad pings from the stuff he’s doing. i just feel like there’s a wolf desire for control and anchoring rooted in the early pushes and his desire to interject everywhere, pressure every slot one by one, etc.
like theoretically you could say this is a villager doing that but i have a really bad feeling really. so i suppose you could say the read is mostly gut

I’ll do you one better - this read is mostly fabricated. Literally nobody looks at someone actively trying to apply pressure to various people and paying attention to everyone’s reactions to it in a game that was early on very dead otherwise and honestly concludes “they are expressly trying to be a discussion leader, ergo they are scum” because neither of those statements follow at all logically from the quoted behavior. You have literally seen me do this same exact shit as town and be exactly on the money. Remember FEFM? Don’t give me any of this “oh he’s pressuring people so he’s scum” bs, I’ve literally caught half your team out before with the same exact trick.

But here comes the worst part

@Vulgard

i just think this is way exaggerated
the super early aggression and this attitude of “i’m going to solve the entire game day 1 and nobody is safe” reeks of “im a wolf i must start strong” and not “i’m a villager and i’m genuinely solving these people” if that makes sense
he seems too sure of himself and it may come from tmi
could possibly come from his confidence in his ability to wolfhunt but i’m leaning toward the former rn and this slot hasn’t really been seriously pressured all game
it’s been pressuring so many slots
time to pressure it back so it can show it’s v colors if it’s v

/vote Solar Opposites

Nowhere did I say that I was going to gamesolve D1 (Priestess admittedly did but I think she misinterpreted what I was saying considering I’m adamantly against PFA and that’s pretty much required to “gamesolve” with no flips).

But that’s not the bad part

No

Because I am entertaining the idea that Society might be worth listening to and asking them to walk me through their thought process, I am somehow not trying to solve their slot, just applying baseless pressure.

What the actual fuck?

I didn’t think this was town before the sub and I think I like it even less now. There’s a high chance that Vulgard was entertaining the thought beforehand, but I really don’t think he enters with a read that fully agrees with his partner and literally nothing else before longer discussion by chance, especially when the quotes literally directly oppose the points he’s stating with them. That’s just gross.

have a fencesit

@Vulgard

and before somebody says like “well what do you think about priestess” i have barely any coherent thoughts about priestess but the fact she’s already been trying to wolfread someone for angleshooting and really, really forcing that on the thread for no reason instead of finding other reasons to wolfread the slot doesn’t sit right with me
it may not be super wolfy i just don’t like it objectively
w/e she needs to post more

not to mention he keeps saying I’m acting “in bad faith” with no explanation of how or what that even means

@Vulgard

not wolfread for angleshooting i mean wolfread for perceived photoshopping of the op or whatever that was
it just seems like it was done in bad faith too and guess who else i think was doing stuff in bad faith
orange
which means both hydra heads are posting in bad faith fmpov
that’s what i think rn

Priestess told me this slot ended up slapping Italy in their nulls and frankly the fact that FK backs off for it is disgusting

Also he never gave his other reads after Priestess asked, just an explanation-less

list, typical

@Vulgard

also solar opposites wolfreading society and then voting with them on a lowposter feels really off

Both members of Italia have been blatantly ignoring the thread, how the hell is it weird to be scared off just because someone I scumread is also voting them? It should be the other way around tbh, and he clearly knows that

@Vulgard

these are mostly independent reads. i don’t want to dive down the rabbit hole of associations too soon

Like there’s no way a competent player pushes me for voting one slot in spite of them fighting with another and then says this. That just screams them considering their own defense but not actually thinking about how those same principles apply to the other players in the game.

@firekitten

@orangeandblack5 I decided Vulgard is lock town

@firekitten

“Materials is lock town”
“God damn it firekitten”

@firekitten

It’s obvious that the read list was planned and they are actually chatting trying to get reads

@firekitten

I don’t know what they were trying to achieve, but it’s obvious based on when I pointed it out they both reacted right away with the post indicating that they actually planned to have Italy there for a reason I can only guess at. That’s more likely town then scum

that’s stupid

in what world is that town AI

who tf plans out their readslists like that

I really don’t believe that Vul comes in with a new different PR read and they immediately drop everything for some elaborate setup in a blank readslist and then explain their new PR read anyways as town.

@Italy

i haven’t really done any reads yet
i’ve read the game up to 1600s (i had to go do something) and i’d like to be able to read as far as i can since the notifications threw me off

all I’ll say is they’re lucky this slot still exists or, well, doesn’t

@sulit

FUCK

I had

a whole post

about italy

with other games

then I copy and pasted it

and then copy and pasted the picture of my cat

AND NOW ITS GONE

@katze

so tldr it

@sulit

i have to make dinner now

sad noises

The consistency with which this happens is fucking boggling

Do they really care that little

@sulit

I also think that Vulgards analysis of orange was really good and kind of aligns with how he likes to play as scum.

Okay that’s absurd because as much as that analysis felt completely fabricated the fact that sulit would then say “it aligns with how he likes to play as scum” is even worse

Like

I am way out of my meta as either alignment this game

I am literally over here forcing myself to play radically differently and I have sulit agreeing with a post on the basis of meta

What even

@Possessed

Reality is were a bad push. Priestess/Orange tried and sort of just…gave up.

You ran the fuck away for a day, what else am I supposed to do?

@Possessed

And I like the outward analysis on our Slot, Katze. I really like your slot.

I was doing the same exact shit and you literally would do anything you could to avoid walking me through your thoughts

Platitudes don’t change your actions

@Possessed

In this format, it doesn’t pay to sit back and not push if you’re scum. Scum need to rely heavily on pushes and hope they don’t look bad.

That’s not how this works at all

Scum don’t care about pushing, they care about where the lynch eventually falls

Pushes are one way to accomplish that but the idea that “pushing = scum because setup” is A wrong and B only applied to us?

fwiw Katze’s responses here are right on the money and definitely a good look for gamers

@Possessed

Anyways I gotta get up for work in 7 hours, gonna attempt to get 5 hours of sleep

You can take it from here Sulit

running away around as soon as I start typing

typical

@Possessed

Nobody can build a consistent wagon on us. They’ve tried. It hasn’t stuck.

@sulit

We’re just too powerful

@Possessed

What do you do when the wagon fails?

Move to the next one.

/vote Society

[SirDerpsAlot]

Uhhh I have an idea maybe?

[SirDerpsAlot]

Will their be rats