Marshal can completely fake a sheriffs results tho. It’s not like Enforcer is particularly good at claiming knight for example.
And in the new patch you can use probe to get information to fake surveillance to be more creditable with a suicide accusation.
I guess I find falling on your sword as a Marshal and accusing someone at random, less then a legit strat as the Unseen, more often I’ve seen Marhsal’s say nothing, claim Sheriff when they have to, and die because they “haven’t found anything”, but that might be more poor play and opinion than fact for most games.
I would agree that the Enforcer is a terrible liar as a Knight, which I stated above as a problem. However, this I believe is more due to his powerful Frenzy ability coupled with the Assassin’s Double Kill may warrant a lack of ability to lie effectively.
I mean they can claim Sheriff, but the moment the court acts on their supposed found “Unseen” they’re either in jail, OE’d, or executed the next day.
If someone exes you for not finding an unseen then that’s the worst the strat I have seen
I have been sheriff till d7 and haven’t found a single unseen
Could also be that you were converted, and that’s usually the mark of a Marshal, especially if the Assassin/NK have been doing their jobs respectively. By D7 if both killers have killed someone every night you’re looking at 12 deaths, which would leave 4 players. If you’ve gotten that far with that many deaths as the 1st convert of Unseen then BD have fucked up not putting up the stalling Sheriff.
If you’re in a slow game where half those deaths have happened, we’re talking 6 deaths and 10 players, of which their will likely be 3 Unseen, and you will be unable to investigate the king so out of the 9 living players you’ve had 6 nights to hit 1 Unseen. That seems incredibly unlikely to me, and sounds like either your lying about who you’re investigating, aka your Marshal, or you have the worst luck in the world.
Heck we’re not even taking into account Scouting which adds an additional player that you can potentially catch as Unseen.
And as far as average deaths per game by D7, we’re also not taking into account Alch Bombs, Knight CSing especially in new patch, Prince jailing, King OE’s, Hunter Bears/Wolfs, and the Assassin killing anyone with poison, or Double Kill from Assassin.
I would say that 1 kill per night is actually very generous, and quite slow.
Look. Suicide accusing is 100% legit in this game because of conversions.
I’ll take it from another angle then, why does the Marshal need both Probe and Snoop?
If all a Marshal is good for is 1 suicide accusation + finding out who exactly everyone is for the Unseen, then why not Snoop the King’s book N3/N2 after everyone’s been forced to claim, and then the following Day run your suicide strat. You don’t need Probe ontop of Snoop with the claim meta the way it is. Its overkill. Especially since you have multiple uses of Probe, and can just peruse the journals of anyone who the king hasn’t written down as claims.
And you absolutely can combine Frenzy with 2F1 killing both King and Prince if neither are being healed/protected.
A better class to give snoop to would prolly be Duchess like @NuclearBurrito and @RHCube said
I’ll also admit that with the Surveillance changes to Sheriff, Marshal can come forward with his class based Probe info and suicide accuse someone. So I like that change, but the very fact that a Marshal has to die, in order to lie publicly as a Sheriff goes against what most of the other Unseen converts can do. Save for Enforcer and Poacher.
Oh you’re right nvm then that helps me appreciate Enforcer as his is now sans effective lying.
You mean as Marshal yeah?
