Interesting Idea to make Marshal a little more useful as Unseen convert

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#61

You don’t need enforcer to lie

You need enforcer to use frenzy

Then win

#62

lul that rhymed by accident

#63

Yeah sorry meant marshal

#64

You know I was in a game as enforcer
And guess what also happened to be in the game. A hunter and a possessor. I guarded the assassin only to find out that the mastermind wouldn’t of died if I guarded him

Feelsbad

#65

To clarify then I mean a Marshal, who should be able to effectively claim they are Sheriff, will eventually die because they haven’t found Unseen, and so right now the Marshal’s strat is Snoop, then Snoop, then suicide and kill yourself + 1 BD, and I don’t think any other Unseen convert works that way, save perhaps a Duchess falsifying a wisp.

That to me doesn’t seem to be a good theme/healthy playstyle for a class.

The reason Marshal is exe’d, or why its called a suicidal accusation, is that the moment a BD dies on your word you are dead. That will happen for anyone most likely.

#66

I think you are overestimating BD IQ tbh.

#67

That def sucks man.

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#68

You could buss an unseen member if you ask for their permission

#69

I think one of the best games I had was bussing a assassin who left D1

#70

Maybe you’re right, but that’s assuming King doesn’t OE, Knights don’t CS your sus act, the Prince doesn’t jail you, and you’re not voted up immediately tomorrow. That’s alot of incredibly thick BD.

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#71

That reminds me of a game I had…

I was a confirmed noble who had use PP and all of the unseen were dead so I couldn’t possibly have been converted

And a prince jails and exes me and says “I think your possessor” when it’s a reaper game…

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#72

Sums up the BD right there.

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#73

Now that is some dumb BD.

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#74

Was I accusing you while claiming drunk as an herbalist?

#75

How?

#76

Easy. “I am drunk and HTM attacked me when I debbed him”

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#77

Maybe I don’t really remember

Like the dumb prince part is the only thing I still remember from that game

#78

To sum, the reasons I brought up this idea are:

1.Marshal’s currently can’t effectively accuse anyone without dying the next day, as long as BD are paying attention. This means they either suicide themselves, or remain quiet till late and are put up for “Finding Nothing”

2.IMO: Classes should be able to effectively lie about the previous class they were, from both an ease of lying perspective, and because the Unseen thematically are supposed to be good at lying. Good at lying here means backing up what they say with verifiable evidence, not suicide accusations, which is a 1 for 1 trade in the end.

  1. If you disagree with the previous point, it is silly to give an investigative class for the Unseen, a weak investigation ability, and then another investigation ability that makes the prior ability needless. Meaning Snoop is stronger than Probe and you don’t need both on the same class.
#79

Snoop is not better than Probe because it can give false positives on Neuts while Probe does not. Also it’s 2 uses.

#80

Also suicide accusing is a mathmatically good idea. It’s even better than an accusation that doesn’t get you killed.

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