King Rework [orangeandblack5 Edition]

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#1

King is in an awkward spot.

It seems to be largely agreed upon that Allies isn’t condusive to fun gameplay when on anybody other than the evil King. Even in its current form, it acts like a stronger Princess, locking down claimspace in a way that affects how the scum have to act even if the Good King hasn’t spawned.

Some other aspects of his design could use a bit of love too - the removal of trials for a day is an awkward punishment for killing the starting Good King, and while Decide Fate is extremely powerful, people forcing you to use Royal Finger can rob you of its effectiveness.

As such, I have been working on the following suggestion for over a year now. It refocuses the King on its social and supportive aspects and generally streamlines its design in a way that is more cohesive overall.

The King
Random Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial. If you are the starting Good King and you are executed, members of the Blue Dragon with royal blood will no longer gain extra votes to be King.

Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night and immune to target changing. If you are the Psychopathic King, this ability also makes you immune to death at night.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)

Royal Finger (Day) - Resets all votes. Only you or your target may be voted for the rest of the day. (2 uses)
Replaced by:
Hide (Day) - Neutral King exclusive. Nobody will be able to visit you tonight, regardless of immunities to occupation or preventions. (2 uses)

Guards! (Night) - Have a guard protect you tonight. You will be immune to death tonight. (2 uses)
Replaced by:
Order Execution (Night) - Psychopathic King exclusive. Send a guard to kill a player. (Infinite uses)

Starting King exclusive powers (these replace the standard Guards!):

Guard Escort (Night) - Send guards to protect your target from attack, making them immune to death, occupation, and redirection tonight. (3 uses)
If you are the starting Good King, this also protects your target against conversion.
If you are the starting Evil/Cult King, you have an extra use, it makes your target appear as Blue Dragon to investigations, and you may target yourself.

Guards! (Night) - Starting Good King exclusive. Have a guard protect you tonight. You will be immune to death tonight. (3 uses)
Allies (Night) - Starting Evil/Cult King exclusive. Discover if a player is a member of your faction. (4 uses)

I know it can look a bit intimidating all on one card, but if you take time to look at each King individually I think the benefits of this suggestion far outweigh its drawbacks. Here’s what that looks like in practice, with the unique parts of each card colored for clarity, and yellow representing the starting Kings:

Individual Cards

The Starting Good King
Blue Dragon Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial. If you are executed, members of the Blue Dragon with royal blood will no longer gain extra votes to be King.
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night and immune to target changing.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)
Royal Finger (Day) - Resets all votes. Only you or your target may be voted for the rest of the day. (2 uses)

Guards! (Night) - Have a guard protect you tonight. You will be immune to death tonight. (3 uses)
Assist (Night) - Send guards to protect your target from attack, making them immune to death, occupation, redirection, and conversion tonight. (3 uses)

The Starting Evil King
Unseen Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial.
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night and immune to target changing.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)
Royal Finger (Day) - Resets all votes. Only you or your target may be voted for the rest of the day. (2 uses)

Allies (Night) - Discover if a player is a member of your faction. (4 uses)
Guard Escort (Night) - Send guards to protect your target from attack, making them immune to death, occupation, and redirection tonight. This will also make them appear as Blue Dragon to investigations. You may target yourself. (4 uses)

The Starting Devout King
Cult Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial.
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night and immune to target changing.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)
Royal Finger (Day) - Resets all votes. Only you or your target may be voted for the rest of the day. (2 uses)

Allies (Night) - Discover if a player is a member of your faction. (4 uses)
Guard Escort (Night) - Send guards to protect your target from attack, making them immune to death, occupation, and redirection tonight. This will also make them appear as Blue Dragon to investigations. You may target yourself. (4 uses)

The Good King
Blue Dragon Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial.
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night and immune to target changing.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)
Royal Finger (Day) - Resets all votes. Only you or your target may be voted for the rest of the day. (2 uses)

Guards! (Night) - Have a guard protect you tonight. You will be immune to death tonight. (2 uses)

The Evil King
Unseen Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial.
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night and immune to target changing.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)
Royal Finger (Day) - Resets all votes. Only you or your target may be voted for the rest of the day. (2 uses)

Guards! (Night) - Have a guard protect you tonight. You will be immune to death tonight. (2 uses)

The Devout King
Cult Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial.
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night and immune to target changing.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)
Royal Finger (Day) - Resets all votes. Only you or your target may be voted for the rest of the day. (2 uses)

Guards! (Night) - Have a guard protect you tonight. You will be immune to death tonight. (2 uses)

The Neutral King
Neutral Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial.
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night and immune to target changing.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)
Hide (Day) - Nobody will be able to visit you tonight, regardless of immunities to occupation or prevention. (2 uses)

Guards! (Night) - Have a guard protect you tonight. You will be immune to death tonight. (2 uses)

The Psychopathic King
Neutral Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial.
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being killed or occupied at night and immune to target changing.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)
Royal Finger (Day) - Resets all votes. Only you or your target may be voted for the rest of the day. (2 uses)

Order Execution (Night) - Send a guard to kill a player. (Infinite uses)

The Pretender King
Neutral Special

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two until you use Decide Fate, and you can talk at all points in a trial.
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night and immune to target changing.

Decide Fate (Day) - Decide the fate of a player on trial. This removes the extra vote from your Head of State passive permanently. (1 use)

Guards? (Night) - Have a guard protect you tonight. You will be immune to death tonight. (1 uses)

As you can see, the cards for each King type are actually pretty similar, with only the starting Kings having Assist added to their abilities and one other large change per (Head of State’s penalty for Starting Good King and Allies for Starting Evil and Devout Kings). They each have a renewed focus on their Social and Support aspects, which I feel will lead to better overall gameplay than their previous Killer and current Investigative formats.

Thank you very much for reading, I’ve been working on this for over a year now, so it does mean a lot to me. If you think there’s any further ways I can improve this suggestion, I’d really appreciate you letting me know.

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New Royal Bloods, and some changes to Kings in general
#8

Amazing rework orange more different than Ici’s I have to say especially with the name “Head of State” really makes you think that he’s in charge AND that he is Royal and he is judge and he gets to decide things so I think this would be an excellent change.

#9

And there is no mistakes on the post I had to point out amazing job 10000000/1 marks SS+

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#12

Wth is every post here withdrawn

#16

CoPYInG My LaYOuT HOw DArE U!

In all seriousness I’m perfectly fine with this.

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#17

Success :slight_smile:

#18

image

I noticed

#19

true forum necromancy

Literally bringing it back from the dead

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#20

bump

Speficially for people like @NightX, @Navi, @Shrimpy, @Livicus, and @TinyDeer (among others) to critique

#21

I like Head of State. It’s annoying to have to use royal finger.

I’m against Royal Summons, since it is pretty much like Prince, although you know who the Prince is.

Royal Court seems nice, since it doesn’t show evils who is giving you information.

Starting Guards blocking converts helps King, though not much. I think it works.

I’d personally just ditch Royal Summons, and then you can keep Psycho King mostly the same, just giving him Head of State. Overall pretty good.

#22

I still really like Order Execution. It allows a central player to sneakily remove another.

Although it hurts the Scorned in the long run. but so does Prince.

#23

I prefer my Rework but yours isn’t that bad either

Royal Summons could end up badly though, if Evil King is using it to find Prince

#24

I think that’s partially the point of royal summons. It gives evil king something to do and a way to get (very very limited) information.

#25

Guys … King is perfect how it is already … why fix something that isn’t broken?

#26

The kill is kind of out of place.

Fun? Quite.

But not really a cohesive design.

I’m fine with King as-is, but would slightly prefer some support and/or social skills.

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#27

Think about this.

The King is the ruler, in a way. Now if we could merge King and Prince to create an abomination what I’m saying would make more sense, but anyways

Outing someone in public is one thing, but what I like to do sometimes is to just ask the King to kill people. And it works out.

#28

I’d be fine with keeping Order Execution, but two kills may be a tad overkill with the rest of my changes

I’ll look at it though, as I do agree that Order Execution works much better than I would have anticipated

It’s just really really good, and I’m not convinced King needs to be that powerful

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#29

Sorry, I should have said the King is perfect without order exe lol

#30

I love Royal Summons. In general I love this rework

#31

That seems like the exact opposite of what you said earlier

But ok