Kings and Pretender reworks

Class/Lore/Fanfic
#1
Kings/Pretender

The Blue Dragon King
Good Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to occupation and redirection, can talk in trial, If starting GK the court can not vote the next day if executed, you may only guard yourself twice.

The Royal Finger (Passive) - You’re vote Counts twice.

Grand Trial (Day)

Court Chambers (Day) - Order two players to talk to you during this night, They will not meet up with faction members if a faction member but still can use normal night actions. - 2 Uses. (Prince will not jail anyone) (*Starting King only).

Improved Guards! (Night) - Protect someone or yourself. - 4 Uses. (*Elected King -1 Charge).

Nobility Status (Night) - Make a player votes Doubled upon becoming king stacks with royal blood - 1 Use. (*Elected King only)

The Unseen/Cult King
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to occupation and redirection, Can talk during trial.

The Royal Finger (Passive) -You’re vote Counts twice.

Grand Trial (Day) - Force a player into Trial

Court Chambers (Day) - Order two players to talk to you during this night, They will not meet up with faction members if a faction member but still can use normal night actions. - 2 Uses. (Prince will not jail anyone) (*Starting King only).

Improved Guards! (Night) - Protect someone or yourself. - 4 Uses. (*Elected King -1 Charge).

Close Allies (Night) - Close Allies (Night) - Discover if a player is Apart of your faction if so which class - 3 uses.

Neutral King
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to occupation and redirection, Can talk during trial.

The Royal Finger (Passive) - You’re vote Counts twice.

Grand Trial (Day) - Force a player into Trial

Improved Guards! (Night) - Protect someone or yourself - 3 Uses.

Goal: Survive until the end of the game. (Crowned from Alchemist, Mercenary and Inquisitor).

Psycho King
Deadly Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to occupation and redirection, Death, Bleeding, can talk in trial.

The Royal Finger (Passive) - You’re vote Counts twice.

Grand Trial (Day) - Force a player into Trial

Pressure (Day) - Force a player to vote another.

Order Execution (Night) - Kill a Player, doesn’t count as visiting - Infinite.

Fetal Guards (Night) - Kill someone Bypassing everything, Doesn’t count as visiting - 2 Uses.

Goal: Kill all members of the main factions in order to win.

Spiteful King
Tenacity (Passive) - Immune to occupation and redirection, Can talk during trial.

The Royal Finger (Passive) - You’re vote Counts twice.

Grand Trial (Day) - Force a player into Trial

Improved Guards!(Night) - Protect someone or yourself - 3 Uses.

Goal: Defeat The Blue Dragon Faction. (Crowned from Sellsword, Pretender, Fool and Scorned).

Pretender Neutral Social
Royal Blood (Passive) - Votes for you becoming king will be doubled.

Regret (Passive) - You’ll Commit suicide if you can no longer win

Ballot Mix (Day) - Reverse the vote of a player - 2 Uses.

Manipulate (Day) - Force a player to vote another - 2 Uses.

Rumour (Night) - Listen to a players feedback making Investigative See BD as Unseen/Cult, Neutrals/Cult/Unseen as BD. (Princess flirts work like normal frame). - Infinite.

Copycat (Night) - You’ll use the ability of the first player into the second, Second target abilities will target yourself, You can’t copy converts. - 2 Uses.

Goal: Don’t allow more then 2-Non-Blue Dragon players be executed, Excluding Fool/Yourself.

All
King Change, Only king and killer will know if their protection target was attacked.

Small Changes
Small Change:
Noble Twin - Removed.
Pretender Is Incompatible with BD.

#2

Having it be disabled when there are less than 5 players leads a bunch of potential stalemates with cult unless Grand Trial is unlimited use.

#3

How does this interact with neutrals?

How does this interact with Drunk, CL and MM?

2 sounds nearly impossible. If it was just cultseen then yeah 2 would make sense but there is also neuts and more importantly the NK and EK.

I’d make it 3.

Also what about royal blood?

The NK should not have limited death immunity. Reaper only does because it’s stronger than normal death immunity and even then he has way more than just 2.

#4

Neutrals bypass framing so it doesn’t do anything to Inq, Still hears the feedback

Honestly didn’t think of that, two target abilities (Like deb will deb that person into you). Converts have no effect.

Not really it allows two non bd to be executed not counting yourself.

She doesn’t really need it but I could add it back.

That was a typo left over from copying and pasting.

#5

Not what I meant. What happens if a Neutral is checked by a sheriff/observer/whatever with this ability on them?

#6

Sheriff see’s them as unseen as that’s the reverse of the result (Maybe that could do with a change as it hurts the objective).

Princess will see Killers as S/i.

#7

It makes kings less swingy a dumb cult wasting all there erads is a small price to pay imo.

#8

Might help with theory crafting the winrate but I’m going to record how many time more then two non-bd get executed on trial

Also added RB as a passive to pret

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#9

Good idea.

I’d take whatever the average number you get to and round down

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#10

Time to play 100 games of throne of lies

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#11

A slight change to pret will be a Fool execute won’t count either.

#12

The Royal Finger (Passive) - You’re vote Counts twice unless their are less then 5 players alive.

I like the general direction you are proposing but I always will hate arbitrary rules. I don’t like MM being invisible for only 3 nights either, for instance.

It creates special cases that have to be considered in deductions that complicates them and makes them tedious

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#13

I feel like the slight complication is needed in terms of balancing king.

King having majority in 1v2’s would be a bad thing, so the passive disables when their are less then 5 players alive.

#14

Right but he doesn’t.

He can only get majority in a 2v2/1v1, otherwise trials mean he can’t cheese a lynch when he’s outnumbered.

#15

King gets a double vote though currently including Exe/Pardon.

#16

well my remake of kang

#17

That’s silly. Don’t do that.

Double vote is best used as a tie breaker when 2 factions are of equal numbers.

#18

ok I won’t be silly but kings ability still disabled.

#19

Kinda defeats the whole point

#20

Of what?