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[katze]

just host more vanilla setups tbh

how bad can we fuck up setups without town kill power

[Vulgard]

@Arete

In Mountainous 15er (I wasn’t in this one, but I was hosting this one), the village didn’t get off to a great start early, basically just mislynching LHFy players D1 and D2, but on D3 (I think? could be D4) they correctly reevaluated noticed that Mist just literally wasn’t doing anything and managed to correctly lynch him, and shortly afterwards noticed that Italy was likewise not doing anything.

wolves not doing anything is always a good meme

[Arete]

I would say the common factor in both of these is that we correctly lynched a wolf in the midgame, and that lynch broke open the game

[Vulgard]

we can lynch lhf
and then lynch lhf
and then lynch lhf
and then lynch lhf
and then snapvote in lylo

[Arete]

@Marshal

@Arete

n D3 we managed to have W/V wagons that randed to a wolf more out of apathy then out of anything else

well no

this was a deliberate strategy that would have worked if wolves submitted a NK

I mean

for me it was like

I didn’t even think you were necessarily a wolf

and I was terrified that it was going to rand to you, you would be town, and I would get mislynched in LyLo for, you know, randomly deciding to mislynch my previous top villageread for no reason

like I don’t think I actually had good reasons to vote you

[Alice]

@Arete

In Mountainous 15er (I wasn’t in this one, but I was hosting this one), the village didn’t get off to a great start early, basically just mislynching LHFy players D1 and D2, but on D3 (I think? could be D4) they correctly reevaluated noticed that Mist just literally wasn’t doing anything and managed to correctly lynch him, and shortly afterwards noticed that Italy was likewise not doing anything. They correctly cleared a few villagers based on their pushes on and interactions with the flipped wolves, and, while they miscleared Tan initially based on her acting in a solvey manner which people viewed as villagery, once they reached LyLo Dat and katze were able to find each other as villagers (Dat was already a strong village read for many players as he had replaced in for an obvious newbtown player) and correctly lynch the wolf. It did help that the wolf team included 2/3 wolves who effectively weren’t playing, and the wolves made several suboptimal kills such as nightkilling the person who was harddefending both of them and unlikely to reevaluate in order to create WifoM.

I think this is one of the main issues people face on this site. A lot of people here have a wrong perception of what a wolf would do in the game. Wolves in generally keep a low profile in order to survive so they end up lynching the most vocal and scummy player, which tends to be LHF.

This is basically why I can easily separate between LHF and newbwolves and if more people here knew how to do it, I’m pretty sure that the town winrate would skyrocket.

@Arete

In the Cop13er (I was a player in this one) we … also got off to a bad start with two early mislynches and the N1 nightkill hitting the Cop, on D3 we managed to have W/V wagons that randed to a wolf more out of apathy then out of anything else, and after the first wolf lynch we were able to clear a bunch of players based on his spew, create a correct 3 person PoE that contained both remaining wolves, and identify two players in said PoE as never W/W which allowed us to guarantee a wolf lynch rather than risking sending it to 5p LyLo at which point one of the villagers less convinced of the PoE would likely have snapvoted.

Yeah, a lot of people here really don’t bother reading for spew.

[Alice]

@katze

just host more vanilla setups tbh

how bad can we fuck up setups without town kill power

You have a point.

Also without mechanics people stop making dumb assumptions such as the neutral fruit vendor one, the dies irae = scum in SFoL53, or the entirety of LotR.

[katze]

how much LHF do we have to mislynch

[Vulgard]

look at short fuse
you will have the answer

[katze]

also there’s a bit of irony that town has horrible trackrecord here with mechanics given we’re on a forum for a moderately mechanics heavy social deduction game

[Alice]

@Vulgard

look at short fuse
you will have the answer

Everyone had a dayvig on a specific player there.

This was not vanilla.

[Marshal]

yeah but I was put in a tight PoE which was basically my 3 scumbuds + bep + merc kinda

and while a 3/4 lylo is good, I imagine that if I try to vote bep I get votes on me (or at the very least get annihalated in LyLo)

and jake and kyle were not going to individually last long enough to make it either

so I had to try to make the play to get myself out of PoE

and a miscleared marshal in a 4/3 lylo is game-winning

[Alice]

Also hadn’t it been for Seth, Braixen, and Derps yolo-detonating then if we had followed the consensus PoE then we’d likely have won the game since we had a very solid towncore of me/Kyo/Mode/Vulgard/Hippo/Seth/Braixen.

[Vulgard]

the braixen i know would’ve detonated by now

[Marshal]

and had wolves just killed ash

the bep lynch is easily happening

and a 2/3 lylo is still usually winnable

[Vulgard]

i’m trying to meme that game so it doesn’t make me feel empty inside

[Arete]

@Chloe

I think this is one of the main issues people face on this site. A lot of people here have a wrong perception of what a wolf would do in the game. Wolves in generally keep a low profile in order to survive so they end up lynching the most vocal and scummy player, which tends to be LHF.

This is basically why I can easily separate between LHF and newbwolves and if more people here knew how to do it, I’m pretty sure that the town winrate would skyrocket.

FWIW I initially miscleared Jake for this reason in the Cop13er

but I guess it worked out

also in the Cop13er I looked really bad from Marshal’s spew but I was basically the only player bothering to do spew analysis so I was like ‘I’m obviously town based on VCA’ and everyone just went along with it

[Alice]

@katze

also there’s a bit of irony that town has horrible trackrecord here with mechanics given we’re on a forum for a moderately mechanics heavy social deduction game

I think it’s probably because those were closed setups. Like, you just can’t assume anything in a closed setup otherwise you may get burned.

Mechanics in a normal FoL or semi-open/open game is fine.

[Alice]

@Arete

FWIW I initially miscleared Jake for this reason in the Cop13er

Why exactly?

[Alice]

@Arete

I was basically the only player bothering to do spew analysis

FTR, wolves love to do spew analysis.

This is actually relatively wolfy form of reads but it’s still accurate if done right, which is why I only trust a spew analysis that I’ve done myself.