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#19652

that was one of the problems but there were more, yes. i can’t remember exactly because I don’t have access to the documents where the reasoning is discussed any more but there were more reasons

#19653

This is Why lying darkness won

#19654

anyways

neuts that can safely openclaim D1 are badly designed

fight me

#19655

image

#19656

(this isn’t including things like Inq, like, Inq being able to openclaim D1 because neuts in is one of the few things I’m willing to actually just say is a playerbase problem rather than a design problem)

#19657

oh no i’ve missed a meme

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#19658

I fight you easily
Cuz this is not a balance problem

#19659

If your neut is BD-sided enough to be able to safely openclaim it should just be a BD class

#19660

Exactly

#19661

on the top of my head i can think of 3?

  1. picking 2nd contract = bad
  2. stand guard being confirmable = bad
  3. contract merc is inherently swingy

first 2 are easily fixable
3rd is less so

yes it is

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#19662

A year ago most d1 neuts got killed or executed
Same system. Just more neuts out mind set.

#19663

look I think the problem is that Alchemist is actually not BD-sided but it gets away with open-claiming because the game has developed this culture that both dislikes lynching people without red peeks on them and has devs actively say #NeutsIn in the #News channel sometimes (I assume that is still the case.) They don’t even need to spread #NeutsIn anymore, because the game has already developed this culture in which killing neutrals is seen as this social faux pas.

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#19664

killing neutral claims is rarely worth the time

BD don’t usually have a lot of KPN and lynching a neut is suboptimal most of the time

this is part of why i want another BD Killer with some sort of vig archer

#19665

Don’t kill neuts for no reason reeee :stuck_out_tongue:

#19666

claiming alchemist is a reason

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#19667

Scorned/Inq are both reasonable amounts of -sided

Merc is too BD sided, Alch is probably slightly too BD sided but varies a lot depending on player

Sellsword is just a Lost Wolf and that’s not really super interesting

also Scorned’s wincon is the most pro-BD neut wincon in the game

if I evaluate Fool based solely on how -sided it is it’s in a decent spot but if I evaluate it based on literally any other criterion it should burn

#19668

Her* targets :angry:

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#19669

i cannot stress this enough
alchemist is already a kingmaker, and with the fact that BD KP is limited, especially near endgame, they basically always side with wolves
but they also have a fucking vig
on a purely theoretical base that should make you a lynch candidate

#19670

Idk when this was, Ive never seen that, and most of our guides+/mods are def not neuts in

#19671

his targets*

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