Master Rework of Doom!

Oops. Fixed.

@NuclearBurrito

What about renaming Escort class to the Steward? The BD version. Retainer is still fine

Or else, we get called for copying ToS

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And @NightX can you rename the Gossip ability on Maid and Mistress back to Escort? That was the original name but I changed because of Nuclearā€™s class name

Done.

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Thanks dude, do you think we should probably test all this as FoL before attempting to take it to the devs for ToL

I have no idea, I have personally never played FoL.

I do think the reworks should be prioritized, especially the Social ones, because I really want Psychic not to be a Prince clone, and I want Priest to be a thing again.

Other than that, I like Maid and Squire, and I know those already exist in FoL so those should be good.

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Why not choose a feedback?

I especially like this Acolyte ability. I think the Acolyte should have another ability though to try and help though.
Day Ability 2: Sacrifice (This name sucks please change): 2 uses: Select a player. Send a popup to the Cult Leader asking ā€œThe Acolyte would like to perform a sacrifice on [target]. Should he? Yes/Noā€

If the answer is yes, a message will appear in the Cult night room. ā€œThe Acolyte is performing a sacrifice on [target]!ā€

If the sacrifice is successful (meaning, the target can bleed and is not dead), a charge of Ritual and a Charge of Rupture are both used up. The target will see a notification stating that the Hunter caused them to start bleeding and they will die in one day.

Just so that Hunter can be fakeclaimed a little easier.
Hunter now converts to Acolyte. If possible?

Iā€™d much rather see this fix be put in than merely this.
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fixing-the-servant/46106

You should be able to redirect the player any way you want using a second box, although most people will redirect to themselves. In any case, You should appear as Blue Dragon to any investigations you redirect onto yourself. Same thing goes for Alcoholic.

Herbalist should be able to fake-heal still.
Also, Herbalist should have some more abilities. ((I didnā€™t see anything for Herbalist here so yeah Iā€™ll just drop some stuff in))

Day Ability: Unearth: Unlimited Uses: Tonight, if you use exhumain, the class that killed your target will be revealed to everyone.
Night Ability: Exhumain: Discover the class that killed your target, and show it to the Unseen. Unlimited uses. (Psycho King will appear as their original class)

Appearing as Blue Dragon for using Strings of Corax is broken. Besides, thereā€™s regular occupation on Invoker, not just redirection.

And as my knowledge goes, I thought we werenā€™t changing Herbalist?

Yes, as well as Knight and Duelist

It seems too complicated for the player to me (not to mention to program), and I think this works well enough.

What is a charge of Ritual? Iā€™d also prefer if it worked as a solo ability and didnā€™t require permission.

The permission thing again. Also unneeded with the ability.

Yeah, thatā€™s how it would work, not sure about the investigations, but it definitely would help the class.

Exhumain is practically useless for Unseen, since it gives so little information. Itā€™s just an extra.

Weā€™re not changing Herbalist.

Also @Chocolate You donā€™t need to notify me on Discord, I check the forum.

While I like the ideas, I didnā€™t want to just go ahead and steal peoplesā€™ ability uses.

Thatā€™s why I put it there. Although It would probably be fine even if it did just steal.

I kind of messed up. Look below.

I think the solution is to not have those abilities.

A better replacement might be to give it a one use ability. Iā€™m not even sure about that though, since you can already bleed people. While it is a Killer, we canā€™t unbalance the Cult.

@NightX
I had an ability for my Scribe/Forger that sort of goes with whisper and secret communication, and seeing that Scribe only has one day and one night at the moment, what do you think about this? This is NOT like Prince.

But then again, we should probably make Scribe and Forger unique if this happens.

Scribe and Forger

Advisor: (3) (N)
Seek counsel and go to talk with the King freely tonight.

Oh and, Eavesdrop on Scribe and Forger shouldnā€™t be able to target the King in my opinion.

This could use a new name. Conduit would be fine.

You should just be able to edit their logs instead.

I like the ability, but it doesnā€™t fit with physician. Physician is support, not investigative. I would prefer it if a new investigative class was made which is based around interacting with the dead.

Donā€™t you mean redirection immunity?

Also, why isnā€™t there a sheriff and paladin rework? They need reworks. You could use my sheriff rework if you want.

I think itā€™s pretty powerful just to remove the information. Definitely worth considering, though.

I already tried to do that, but the ability is just too weak to be its own class.

Oops, yeah. Iā€™m gonna fix that.

I donā€™t think everything needs a rework, Sheriff being one of those things. We donā€™t need to remake the whole game.

It would have to have a few other similar abilities

Why not? Sheriff only affects the unseen. Scout only affects the mastermind and thereā€™s no way to counter or trick it. Paladin needs a rework for the same reasons.

Also, psychic shouldnā€™t have a cooldown on alter link.

Who cares if Sheriff is only in Unseen games and Paladin in Cult games? Sure, itā€™s arbitrary, but it still works game wise.

Scout only affects the Mastermind, but rarely actually works, and even if it does, itā€™s just like finding one evil with investigation. Smite seems arbitrary to me, but also rarely comes up.

Why shouldnā€™t Psychic have a cool down?

The cooldown is there to make it harder to find a converted Psy as it gives a reason NOT to use the night Ability. This isnā€™t a problem for the illusionist but if she is promoted to assassin or it is a cult game then it is important. Focus link is there so that you can build up the network as if the cooldown wasnā€™t there to avoid overcompensating.

A secondary ability does not need to fit the typing of the class exactly. For example the Inquisitor has Ruthless Efficiency, the Knight has sacrifice and the Mercenary has Rebound. CW tornado is clearly offensive and the Priest Conduit is not social (not sure what it IS but whatever.)

This spacific ability has been proven to work. We are simply reverting the Physician to when that was how it worked due to reanimate being moved to Priest.

Judgement can already do that. It gives the same message as Hunter wolf.