[Misc] Blood on the Forums IV: Glimpse of the Future (Evil Wins)

[Redrover1760]

Do you think we should exe them instead of Alice?

[Napoleon]

Apprentice?

[Redrover1760]

@Napoleon

But I’m mostly universally scumread anyways and that’s probably not going to change for a while unless Priestess’ slot is able to make themselves look like obvious town.

So are you saying DatBird is town?

[Redrover1760]

Yes

[Napoleon]

WEll you said that Nap/DatBird is probably not W/W so if DatBird looks more wolf I look more town

[Napoleon]

I want Alice over Apprentice but I’ll go over Apprentice one more time

[Napoleon]

Redrover I think DatBird could be a very likely wolf.

[Napoleon]

Breezed over Mist/clonedcheese and I didn’t reach anything, I’ll go over them again once Im done with Apprentice.

I might need to deepread them both though and metaread them

[Redrover1760]

Can you ISO DatBird again, with their new posts, that would be very helpful in solving your slot.

[Napoleon]

Okay ill do DatBird first and then I’ll do Apprentice for myself ISO

[Wazza]

Yes, I already fixed it in the ISO I put for Dat and corrected that I was wrong, he whispered Italy, not you.

[Redrover1760]

Wazza what do you think about hanging Apprentice instead of Napoleon?

[Redrover1760]

Do you think that is a good alternative?

[Redrover1760]

Nappy doesn’t seem that scummy.

[Wazza]

make a case on it and I’ll think about it.

[Redrover1760]

No, can you give me your thoughts on it?

[Redrover1760]

Same with you Napoleon, would be a better idea to execute Apprentice instead of Napoleon? I’m considering it.

[Wazza]

then no.

[Redrover1760]

Why not?

[Napoleon]

@DatBird

Yeah was just catching up, dont worry bud. I’ll be more active when I hop on the pc

@DatBird

@N.1

• Luxy (Resident)

@N.1

• KyoDaz (Resident)

@N.1

• clonedcheese (Resident)

• Apprentice (Resident)
• Hippolytus (Resident)
• Mist1422 / Chemist1422 (Resident)
• Redrover (Resident)

@N.1

• Priestess (Resident)

• Napoleon (Resident)
• Geyde (Resident)
• MukuroIkusaba / Alice (Resident)

Honestly just going down the list and gonna throw off gut vibes.

Im not caring about travelers at least until nom phase as of right now we kinda play by word them. Like Wazza decides execution and Italy lets N and Marshal pick with 1 being confirmed to be opposite allignment with more being also an option, so we go by looking at the noms closely and see how much town core they are. Amelia kinda randomly used two of their three uses for some reason and if they didn’t change me as well I would have prob been modkilled since I didn’t read thread before messaging back to my neighbor who was asking for reads, as I assumed I would still be next to him. So as a word of warning catch up first from now on. Katze and Icis class I have 0 clue on and will ask for others to inform me on how they work as this setup is a lot from a person who barely played the second one.

As for just gut vibes on non travelers Redrover posts just rubbed me in the wrong way. Priestess seems to be incapacitated at the time, so I will wait to hear more from them when they are feeling better. Hippo seemed very lost which is prob a good look for him. The rest were kind of non resistant from my skim

@DatBird

So like my two main reads right now are that Im liking Hippos posts and Red Rovers Im not. Its mainly gut, I could prob go deeper and explain which posts if need be. Priestess didnt have much before they left, and everyone else kinda just was forgettable and thus thrown into null. Is there anyone in particular u want more of an opinion on? Other than a new game came out, im pretty open atm

@DatBird

jake the wolfie vibes INTENSIFY

Original four posts of which I scumread them for. To reiterate, my reasoning was:

• Lack of content
• Lazy reading
• Lack of activity
• Some fluffposting
• An awkward focus on Priestess and Hippo despite them being lowposters (I asked him about this later on though, to which he answered that they just were the most readable iirc)

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@DatBird

Im not, why is it that you think I am?

I think this is as non-alignment indicative, though it feels it could be a bit scummy upon evaluation. I don’t remember being stopped by this post when reviewing his reply though.

@DatBird

@Redrover1760

And this is just fluff.

that is not fluff, your posting habits remind me of Jakes scum games. Essentially trying to be TWTBW saying you don’t care if players were evil. Most times I find that players arent actually TWTBW but are just wolves in that case

I don’t think this is AI. I agree with him that this was probably not fluff.

@DatBird

@Napoleon

Like overall it feels like his reads are pretty lazy and his conclusions are hard to make of. But why does he Priestess and Hippo here when they haven’t posted much compared to others? (I want an answer for this btw, @DatBird).

Those were the three people that stood out to me the most when I was reading through the most that gave me either gut feelings or something to note. Like no one else at the time was really swaying me with AI stuff

Yeah this was the response earlier. idk about this response though. I guess at the very least this just shows that he wasn’t properly reading the thread (tbf i wasnt either)

@DatBird

@Redrover1760

Not to mention, Geyde went ahead and also decided to PM Napoleon and not to out it, and instead went silent about it after the initial conversation with DatBird, but instead PM’d their neighbor to point out the ISO’s flaws and ask them to help mislynch DatBird instead of outing it publically.

@Redrover1760

Now Geyde is gonna try to backpeddle for Napoleon’s mistake, right?

@Redrover1760

Ah yes, of course, then why did you do it in PMs instead of public? This implies you are hiding something to the rest of us.

@Redrover1760

It’s the Wazza situation all over again. You have something to hide.

All of these posts have agenda. Every one of them

Now that I think about it, I don’t know about this one. It is quite hasty and he was a bit quick to validate our concerns with his slot, dismissing Nap/Geyde as possible wolves and jumping on Redrover. We were using your scummeta against you but that doesn’t necessarily mean that from your PoV, we must be townies.

@DatBird

Like all of this is oddly defending me, by my own admission I havent been on thread much, either doing other stuff on forums or playing video games. Like Geyde and Nap know my scum meta its horrible, so when concerns show they have the right to post about it. But you saying they are trying to throw a mislynch on me just because they discussed reads out of thread is so off to me

He does explain it here, but personally I think Redrover is right to challenge the push on DatBird if he came up as suspicious to him. Personal opinions aside, this response is probably NAI?

@DatBird

Kyos Iso is just all mechanical talk and then saying yes to my execution and saying he was planning it. Not enjoying their content so far, and the fact they ignored me doesnt calm the flames of war

We now know why. This is NAI because the concern was valid.

@DatBird

Well reads change when you catch up. Red still is low, but honestly these past 500 posts really changed my opinions on Nap to be probably lower. Geyde chances are prob greater than randtown. Mainly his tone is different than most other games I had with him, kinda reminds me of VCFM if i had to pick one. Luxys attitude and reads have been really solid would throw him in number 1 town for me atm. Cloned has been doing like a shit ton of isos but not interacting I wanna say scum for 0 interactions, but I’ll give him time to catch up. Kyo is still weird af scumlean for now. Alice will stay in the alicezone (a world where unless she self resolves she never leaves). I wanna say shes pretty towny but too many games with her has she fooled me. Red/Nappy world makes almost no sense unless a luxy is in play and they dont know each other are mates, so Im sure theres scum in one but i dont feel there is a team between the two. They seem so like opposed to each other.

I want an elaboration on why Luxy is top town read tbh becuase it doesn’t just happen that easily. @DatBird I mean the issue is that because I personally think that Redrover is town here I don’t think starting a different push matters here to a probably W!DatBird.

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DatBird-Icibalus fight-fight

@DatBird

At this point it looks like your just trying to find an excuse to kill someone, as a lot of people sus you as you didnt do nothing but mech talk for the first half of this game.

@DatBird

@Icibalus

The tone is nearly identical, and the bad paragraph structure i snear-identical.

Now is my town tone any different?

@DatBird

@Marshal @N.1
/exile Ici

@DatBird

Too bad Amelia already moved three times, and ur going to be exiled. We dont need some guy who wont even look at my town tone to stay in game if ur just bloodthirsty like this

@DatBird

Your push on nappy and your readlist kinda correlated with what I was thinking. Mainly a mindmeld read

I don’t know this fight felt pretty wolfy ngl. Icibalus might have been scumreading me tbh and hence executed DatBird on a hunch that I was the wolf out of them two but DatBird had a clear OMGUS exile. @Icibalus You need to interact with me more and I am still definitely not townreading you for executing DatBird.

TBH this conflict says more about Ici than it does about DatBird.

@DatBird

Your push changed my opinion. I had him at a townread up until his recent posts

Why? See I can see this from both town/scum perspective. @DatBird

@DatBird

@Napoleon

Wait claim first

Marshal. Was gonna put one of the noms names in to see if I got any info, but by the time I woke up I was dead. By who of course Kyo one of my higher scumreads and Ici.

@Wazza

But Dat admitted to whispering Napoleon before he even fucking talked on the damn thread

No it was Italy cmon bruh. Never next to Napoleon as of my knowledge

@Wazza

DatBirddd, vote Napoleon, it’s only me and you who can vote.

I’m fine with this lynch. If I dont have to use my one ghost vote now, then I’ll keep it

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I think overall, I’m not ready to call DatBird lock-scum, but I could see his posts come from a scum. Their push on Redrover felt a tad awkward and they did seem to move towards me as a lynch when it became clear that Redrover wasn’t a lynch.

Also the fact that KyoDaz pushed him up as a NuclearBurrito kind of reinforces that claim. I have a strong townlean for Red and I think Kyo’s behavior makes sense and comes from a townie. I only see DatBird town if Priestess’ slot is wolf. Tomorrow, this slot needs to be more engaged.

But yeah the more hedgey points of his ISO were:

• Scumreading Redrover pretty quickly
• Townreading Luxy (this was less-so hedgey and I’m sure it can be explained)
• Icibalus-DatBird interaction