[Misc] Blood on the Forums IV: Glimpse of the Future (Evil Wins)

[Redrover1760]

What are your thoughts on Apprentice then?

[Wazza]

Null.

[Redrover1760]

Napoleon what are your thoughts on Apprentice?

[Redrover1760]

You can do the other things later.

[Napoleon]

I’ll ISO them now for a deepread but you know my previous conclusion was a slight townlean.

[Redrover1760]

Alright. @Geyde What are your thoughts on Apprentice?

[Redrover1760]

They have been participating a bit, why do you think they are null?

[Redrover1760]

I personally have townleaned them.

[Wazza]

not bothered reading them

[Napoleon]

@Apprentice

If an Arete wants to whisper me and out the evil team I’ll join and definitely won’t just out you

@Apprentice

Being near the Icibalus is truly an honor

@Apprentice

Tbh the only traveler I don’t like that exists in this game is the Bishop

@Apprentice

but the Bishop was evil last game so it must be good this one right?

@Apprentice

I didn’t say it wasn’t helpful just that I don’t like it

@Apprentice

Put me next to Ici I’ll let him kill anyone who isn’t towncore

@Apprentice

btw I wasn’t joking turn me evil please Arete

funny
strange
twist
wild

@Apprentice

write, read, run, plsconvertme, think, swim

Okay so a lot of memeing which I take as NAI. The question for me becomes: why is he trying to get Arete’d? It’s just drawing needless attention to himself and if he’s a wolf it just gives evils an excuse to possibly accuse him of being scum on the basis he was converted? I don’t think a starting Minion or a Demon would do this.

@Apprentice

oof at everyone scumreading me for what I did earlier. I guess you guys haven’t played with me much but if there’s a way for me to get converted I will try to do so because I greatly prefer playing scum to town so my statements were pretty NAI for me.

In all seriousness the Universal should definitely come out. With Ici and a lynch we can fulfill your condition d1. Other than that I think coming out should be done only if you have information if not you just kind of help scum figure out who to kill

Yeah this just seems weird, for a scumbag.

@Apprentice

I want to play with to the highest odds of me personally winning not the group as a whole. If that means behaving anti-town while still town or behaving town then I’ll do either. The posts I made where I spouted words or wanted to get converted were mostly an attempt to get an Arete to reach out to me (actually hitting the word would be great but very unlikely). Unlikely with a Matron but if I could get converted right away it would be great. Being able to give an additional bluff to the evil team, take a lynch for them, and remove a good role from the game is huge. However, there’s a solid chance I don’t get converted so I’m not going to just try to help the evil team win all game. I just want to put myself in the best position if it were to happen.

Refer to above. I just don’t see a starting scum/Demon doing this shit.

@Apprentice

I think you’re softing a role do you want me to say what I think you’re softing?

@Apprentice

but if it’s what I think it is then me saying it ruins things

@Apprentice

I think you’re softing Hippolytus

It’s this interaction in particular which made me conclude that Apprentice-Redrover is not W/W. I also townread Apprentice for this as if he were a minion he would see Redrover as a second demon or a minion and I don’t know how convincingly he could fake this information.

This is why I townleaned Apprentice

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@Apprentice

Alright I’ve caught up for the most part haven’t read the entirety of the last 200 or so posts but have the general idea. In my opinion the most likely situation we’re in currently is that Dat was a minion and everyone else nominated is good. Dat was scummy af and I find it highly unlikely that there was more than one evil player nominated today regardless of the Bishop’s alignment. That being said I’ll still give my thoughts. RedRover has been very active in solving and kind of feels like he’s pocketing me. Some of his posts I’ve agreed with and others I’ve disagreed with. He seems to be kind of all over the place imo. I think Napoleon claiming such useless info early makes me townlean him and he’s definitely not the demon. Need to ISO Alice again. I think everyone up to be killed is town now that Dat is dead.

This is relatively lazy reading and I don’t like it too much. I don’t think it’s enough to warrant a scumread though. However…

@Apprentice
Explain why you think Dat is a minion.
Explain why you think I’m a member of the Town?

@Apprentice

I mean in BotC 2 I was able to correctly assume that everyone nominated other than Italy was good purely based on the fact that the Bishop was evil. N.1 might use the Bishop differently but the Storyteller usually handpicks the nominees based on the gamestate.

Then afterwards he goes on to discuss a little bit of mechtalk.

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Overall, he started out as townlean… but now nullish-town to me because his entrance is hard to view as scum-motivated… I still would rather kill Alice if it were up to me.

[Redrover1760]

Okay, so what do you think about Luxy?

[Redrover1760]

I agree with your reads on Apprentice.

[Napoleon]

I remember noting to myself at some point that if DatBird is scum, Luxy is probably town. I don’t remember the exact reason for it though. I think it was from the perspective where it looked like DatBird was sorta buddying Luxy during his ISO.

I’m getting sort of tired doing wallpost ISOs but I remember looking over Luxy and I got null. I think making him slight V won’t be bad because KyoDaz is making DatBird look more scummy mechanically.

[Redrover1760]

What do you think about Kyodaz?

[Redrover1760]

They’ve been acting pretty scummy recently.

[Napoleon]

I think their behavior makes sense considering their class. From what I remember in NFoL4, they tunnelled me and even marked me as the Archer because they maintained a certain level of confidence that I was the Neutral Killer.

From what I’ve noticed in Rokugan, they would manipulate posts into looking scummy in order to pursue their agenda. Their agenda usually becomes somewhat obvious (you even pointed that out, when you were scum yourself). Do you think KyoDaz has a visible agenda here? I think they legitimately scumread DatBird and their mechanical info seems to fill in the gap for the lack of social justification as to why they were confident that DatBird was a likely wolf.

[Napoleon]

The Icibalus-DatBird conversation did feel a bit strange to me though, if we wanna talk about scummy behavior. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if it was a W/W interaction.

I need to look at Mist’s and clonedcheese’s meta to get a better understanding of their posts but right now I’m sorta nullreading them; I like Mist less than cheese though.

[Wazza]

@Napoleon why shouldn’t I kill you?

[Napoleon]

Because:

1. I’m Town
2. I’m confirmed not Demon as per Hippolytus
3. Even if I was confirmed Minion, killing me would be objectively bad because you are just inviting me to vote on nominations when currently I have no voting power whatsoever

[Napoleon]

What you should really be doing is Demon hunting.