More ideas on how to make Noble less confirmable

My reasoning never said it needs to be confirmable, neither its good, or it should be kept that way. I am saying it is only useful for that, and the fix you say its worth nothing because the other effect is useless most of the time, with said ability being used solely to confirm. So yes, want it or not, its their primary use. So, instead of removing that use and keeping the useless side, might as well just rework it entirely to something good. That was my point all along.

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Why should it notify someone even if it works?

Why should it work that way to start with
Games are rarely based on exe/pard numbers, like, RARELY
A trial up is much more effective

Also covered that weird argument here
Where did you take from the idea my reasoning is that

Why should it notify someone even if it works?

It can always be deduced by at least one person that someone was forced to vote (unless they voluntarily voted the same as they were forced), so make it explicit to that one single person instead of leaving multiple people able to deduce that fact.

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The conclusion Iā€™m getting from this conversationā€¦ Is to just remove twin

It would be nice to buff it but I donā€™t think anyone wants it removed

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I do

It only needs Political Pressure to be honest.

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Assuming the point of the class, as Social, is to be influential at court votes with the help of their investigative abilities, it does not need any kind of easy confirmation. As discussed, Twin is only good at that. So, if you donā€™t have a good rework, just remove it anyway, no point in keeping that alongside of how it is currently.

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Iā€™d prefer if only the first Noble to use it affected the king. Decide fate needs counters

Still waiting on RHā€™s counter to emp reap :clap:

Decide fate really doesnā€™t tbh

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Not voting someone you donā€™t intend to lynch?

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Countering decide fate is like countering prince execution, it hurts too much

No? Itā€™s more like countering trollbox. You do it without thinking about it already so a dedicated ability for it is overkill

Countering Prince execution is closer to countering Knight. You only think it hurts because it canā€™t be done right now

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Reap needs counters. Emp reap is a modifier, so it technically doesnā€™t. And it still has counterplay in the form of Distract. You can also still occupy or redirect the reaper to counter emp reap.

It doesnā€™t need one, but Iā€™d still prefer it if everything has a counter.

Thatā€™s indirect counterplay, not direct. Indirect counterplay is like redirection while direct is like occupation. Redirection changes the target, but doesnā€™t prevent the ability itself(which occupation does)

Decide fate isnā€™t on the same level. it has an indirect form of counterplay, not voting up the prince. Princeā€™s execute doesnā€™t have any form of counterplay(And donā€™t say death is counterplay, because it isnā€™t. It might stop the prince from performing any future executions, but doesnā€™t stop the current execution). And it wouldnā€™t hurt too much. Prince is overpowered without any counterplay.

Yawn

Remove twin add an ability that janks king elections

Done.

Remove twin put pants on fire

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