My reasoning never said it needs to be confirmable, neither its good, or it should be kept that way. I am saying it is only useful for that, and the fix you say its worth nothing because the other effect is useless most of the time, with said ability being used solely to confirm. So yes, want it or not, its their primary use. So, instead of removing that use and keeping the useless side, might as well just rework it entirely to something good. That was my point all along.
Why should it notify someone even if it works?
Why should it work that way to start with
Games are rarely based on exe/pard numbers, like, RARELY
A trial up is much more effective
Also covered that weird argument here
Where did you take from the idea my reasoning is that
Why should it notify someone even if it works?
It can always be deduced by at least one person that someone was forced to vote (unless they voluntarily voted the same as they were forced), so make it explicit to that one single person instead of leaving multiple people able to deduce that fact.
The conclusion Iām getting from this conversationā¦ Is to just remove twin
It would be nice to buff it but I donāt think anyone wants it removed
I do
It only needs Political Pressure to be honest.
Assuming the point of the class, as Social, is to be influential at court votes with the help of their investigative abilities, it does not need any kind of easy confirmation. As discussed, Twin is only good at that. So, if you donāt have a good rework, just remove it anyway, no point in keeping that alongside of how it is currently.
Iād prefer if only the first Noble to use it affected the king. Decide fate needs counters
Still waiting on RHās counter to emp reap
Decide fate really doesnāt tbh
Not voting someone you donāt intend to lynch?
Countering decide fate is like countering prince execution, it hurts too much
No? Itās more like countering trollbox. You do it without thinking about it already so a dedicated ability for it is overkill
Countering Prince execution is closer to countering Knight. You only think it hurts because it canāt be done right now
Reap needs counters. Emp reap is a modifier, so it technically doesnāt. And it still has counterplay in the form of Distract. You can also still occupy or redirect the reaper to counter emp reap.
It doesnāt need one, but Iād still prefer it if everything has a counter.
Thatās indirect counterplay, not direct. Indirect counterplay is like redirection while direct is like occupation. Redirection changes the target, but doesnāt prevent the ability itself(which occupation does)
Decide fate isnāt on the same level. it has an indirect form of counterplay, not voting up the prince. Princeās execute doesnāt have any form of counterplay(And donāt say death is counterplay, because it isnāt. It might stop the prince from performing any future executions, but doesnāt stop the current execution). And it wouldnāt hurt too much. Prince is overpowered without any counterplay.
Yawn
Remove twin add an ability that janks king elections
Done.
Remove twin put pants on fire