Morphogenetic Mafia - Thread B

[Wazza]

@Wazza

who what.

wait is Manti, Ephemeral? I remember their name being mentioned before

[Ephemeral]

Manti = Maple

my partner here

[Wazza]

I was close enough but ty.

[katze]

you coulda just pretended you were manti and he wouldn’t have known the difference since you’re not both wolves together smh

[katze]

my current thoughts are that i don’t feel strongly about any specific partner for wazza if he flips W

[TrustworthyLiberal]

Me waiting for this Chloe wall post

[TrustworthyLiberal]

Well thankfully spew can come from their partner if wolf Tro kinda a big negative to mafia here

[katze]

apparently trochi hasn’t been very active

[TrustworthyLiberal]

Oh really all i know is last time i heard about them they were a scum read for Kyo

[Wazza]

@TrustworthyLiberal

I just said the read is based of your thought process

What about your previous read when you had me as your top scum before I even sent a message here for D2?

[TrustworthyLiberal]

A thought i had over night really realizing top scum for mean means least towny.

[Chloe]

catchup partially delayed

irl beckons

))):<

[TrustworthyLiberal]

Or are you talking about me dislike the town reads you got for something NAI at best?
Cause thats legit what it was i dislike hoe people treated that read and have stated that over and over again

[Ephemeral]

it’s funnier when i act completely natural and people get us mixed up in normal hydras🤧

[Wazza]

@TrustworthyLiberal

A thought i had over night really realizing top scum for mean means least towny.

@TrustworthyLiberal

Or are you talking about me dislike the town reads you got for something NAI at best?

what are you talking about.

@TrustworthyLiberal

1: Wazzas getting to much free cred from their posts talking about interactions with trochi we all know that’s Nai and how trochi acts with hydra partners and can assume same here. Not to mention I seemed to be the only one apposed to that read actually strengthens it to me as I would imagine more people would otherwise. I will look into them more today and ask about their other half as time allows it.

[katze]

@Marshal

[Chloe]

people shouldnt be scumread simply for the push on vul imo

i mean i can re-read and see if anything looked opportunistic, but from memory, it all added up from the perspective of not-katze/not-chloe

Night was wolfy apparently (and i wish i coulda seen her posts), and vul wasn’t doing much to dig himself out of the hole

its hard to stop an elim on someone you think is likely to be town if they have nothing going for them

@Ephemeral

ftr i didn’t take issue with you pushing him

once again, it’s the way it came off that was concerning

it felt disingenuous for a lack of a better word?

and as you may recall i had similar vibes from you at other points which increases the concern

but i’m toying with the possibility that it’s just how you come off naturally which would make it probably NAI

quotus pls

@katze

luckily for you her wolf range is about as small as YBWs ISO

but still not as small as your heart

@Marshal

This is what i found relevant from the first ~100 or so posts of his ISO

I’ll touch on what I see here, probably expand later

Starting with the attempts to gauge alignments (the questions/reactiontests/etc)

It feels oddly sidelined in comparison to what i’d expect. There just isn’t really drilling , there’s probing and prodding but none of it shows the urge to really get people to crumble. I’ll take the example that stuck out to me most

I think GGhana’s opener and asking questions and pushing and shoving for people to give info about their communications was >rand V

Also felt similar in style to how he approached early d1 in jojo (i wouldnt say late d1 tho), at least from memory
Not in terms of like
The partner questioning he did
But more of brazenness

im down to take another look at jojofm bc admittedly the most memorable shit from it was lategame

@Marshal

This doesn’t really display an attempt to actually catch wolves or find villagers, and he peppers in this really awkward unprompted “I’m doing this because I want to solve alignments and catch wolves!”. I feel like if he were to really try to get a reaction he wouldn’t say this, it’s letting wolves build up their defenses and I think he’d recognize this.

I do remember feeling A Way ™ about his self-aware attitude at the beginning of the game - it was one of the only qualms I had with the slot

Regarding the rest of the post, I do think his focus on finding wolves rather than locking in villagers is more likely to be a wolf mindset. (This read increases if a wolf flips within Wazza/TL, as i dont really see them as trying to make it into towncores, so you would have to adjust playstyle)

I also do think you went into this with a subconscious conclusion in mind because it feels like you found posts and sections that fit your worldview

I can take a looksie at him after realtiming slows down and see where we agree/disagree
I don’t feel particularly biased atm, aside from the fact that I’m solving this game as if you and kat are guaranteed villagers, which does narrow things down a bit

@Marshal

Village:

Marshal
YBW
Chloe
Katze

Maybe village but not quite there:

Wazza

PoE:

TrustworthyLiberal
GGhana

(tbd: Ephemeral)

If I sheep your read on YBW, I’m fine with this core

But I do genuinely want more content from Eli today because I feel like I’ll be more confident reading the slot on that front
Getting Marl to paraphrase competently is another story though
and we also have like
completely opposite sleep schedules
So i guess my info source for Thread A will be sulit&katto for the next 8-9 hours lol

@katze

im asking myself if its clearing

i think its clearing

mostly for the reason that i dont wanna play as if we got big brained and wolves killed a wolf, because that wont get us anywhere
occam’s razer and shit

if IC!Marshal doesn’t die by lylo tho i give full permission for him to be snapped :^)

@GGhana

Marshal I dont get what youre talking about? Chloe and you are both obvious villagers, and at that point our goal is to find wolves, this is a 9er I shouldnt be townhunting I should be scumhunting

no
bad mindset

just because its a 9er doesnt mean we should be solely looking for wolves

best path to success is locking people in as villagers to make wolves’ lives much harder

like jojofm lylo
i found all the wolves because i looked for who was most likely to be town, and solved by PoE
humble brag but i do think its the best way to play

@TrustworthyLiberal

1: Wazzas getting to much free cred from their posts talking about interactions with trochi we all know that’s Nai and how trochi acts with hydra partners and can assume same here. Not to mention I seemed to be the only one apposed to that read actually strengthens it to me as I would imagine more people would otherwise. I will look into them more today and ask about their other half as time allows it.

agreed
it was good enough to clear as the d1 yeet but i’ll be looking at him under a microscope today and i expect a lot more

@TrustworthyLiberal

2: Chloe isn’t as obviously town as k thought yesterday a as collective and has dropped to town lean from top town. Feel like those EoD wasn’t towny at all even more from the Vul flip. Also the win backing it up worryied me on-top of this cause it keeps making me think there’s also another power wolf paired with them if they are wolf. Yes I know I have them town lean still and then called them wolf shut up.

can you quote and explain your thought process
the backflip feels kinda shady like you’re keeping your poe open,
but i also dont know why a wolf would shade me when i have a katze mason in this thread
so i wanna understand yo brain

@TrustworthyLiberal

3: This goes to maple over Eph really but the fact Kyo called them the thread leader over there however other in this thread called blaze that is honestly weird. Partly want confirmation on this or Kyos reads change to much to even use effectively in my solving. Now I guess Eph I think independent of Maple they are towny hold this read higher with half of Marshal dead BUT see a world they are partnered with Chloe and am tunneling that world which is honestly not a good thought and I hate it.

you have us both at townleans but you plan on tunneling us today? what
i dont get the pov

@Wazza

This vote is purely explained by the odd nightkill that was Blizer and possibly Marshal as well (But then again, why would scum kill two of the same person).

Everyone in Thread A pointed out about how weird Blizer is off a kill because of Marshal’s, frankly, shit EOD and current day and then it made me think “What if the scum in our thread is just…barely paying attention and didn’t realise about how bad of a kill that would be.” So that’s why I’m voting YBW because out of everyone in this thread he seems to be the least dis-associated and uncaring.

Is this Projecting?

Also why would YBW kill their strongest supporter
I don’t see that coming from newbwolves
Scumbuds could be bigbrain, or they coulda thought him pr or something, but like
Why make bad nightkills when you can make good nightkills lol

@katze

but also if the scum aren’t paying attention i feel like the “this is a good nightkill that doesnt require that much thought” kill is just chloe or maybe me?

ja
you’d think if wolves noticed anything it’d be us practically clearing eachother
and both of us saying that we’ll probably have the other person lock d2
you kill in the telepathic masons

blizer NK is weird and idk what to make of it but
i think thinking too hard into it will lead me to theories that’ll just pull away from what we should be focusing on

@Wazza

Why would the scum allow us to have a flip because for all we know a kill could’ve been a Town Vig at one point and then we wouldn’t know a mafia that flips and get confused

what
you think wolves would split nightkills? or am i misunderstanding this

the only team i could see doing this and leaving ICs in the thread is like
in you/ybw/gghana lol

and i dont like this thought process from you
it reminds me of Trochi’s salty-wolf post in g7 (@katze)
and it makes me think you’re a wolf who split KP

@katze

because the kill is mandatory meaning it’s >>>rand that marshal is just town

so my counterpoint is “why would wolves split the kills and make an IC”

stop saying things before i can say them

mmmbop

[Chloe]

is the team just gghana/wazza

that feels too easy

[Wazza]

@Chloe

you think wolves would split nightkills? or am i misunderstanding this

I thought they would in the case of a vig shot, they split the nightkills and then if one of them get vig’d then neither is flipped and everyone has 3 flips to worry about and none of them are an IC.

At first I thought it was one kill per night and not one kill per thread per night so this theory was only just thought up off anyway.

Either way, thinking about it in the other way makes more sense for my YBW theory anyway so it doesn’t matter

[Wazza]

@Chloe

Is this Projecting?

what does Projecting even me
and why does this post piss me off so much.

@Chloe

Also why would YBW kill their strongest supporter
I don’t see that coming from newbwolves

look, I really haven’t read the thread much at all, I’m just basing it on what I’ve seen. From what I saw YBW could’ve not been paying attention much and not cared about the nightkill. I’m not saying they chose the nightkill, I’m saying the complete opposite. Please, read what I say.