Morphogenetic Mafia - Thread B

[katze]

/vote Wazza

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[katze]

out of curiosity TL

you mentioned tinfoiling chloe earlier

don’t think you’ve actually mentioned your read on me at all but that probably means you’re tinfoiling me less than chloe at the least?

so, when me and chloe are basically clearing eachother, why are you going to her about her read on me as opposed to the opposite?

[TrustworthyLiberal]

Plead the 5th.

[katze]

=_=

[Chloe]

i will say that kat didnt do like

anything villagery until pretty late into d1 lol

it felt like he was just kinda existing because he had to, not because he wanted to

@Chloe

here are some katto posts

@katze

me: “why is vulgard this confident”

also me: “am i being pocketed”
also also me: “do you care that the answer is yes”

@katze

out of curiosity vul, when was your last game

while i read your posts and think theyre villagery i find it hard to shake off the fact that you’re still very different from what i’m used to

would be more comfortable with that if there were precedent

@katze

im too lazy to quote stuff

nobody should be clearing me imo, the only person i can really accept doing that would be chloe because i think she’s capable of jumping into my brain and seeing the villagery core

with that said the fact she isn’t doing that is ~fine~ because i don’t think i’m playing an excessively towny game because i’m barely actually playing the game

but if you ignore meta then go ahead i’ll take the free cookies and if i get N1ed it means i don’t have to play so

quote, from like 3 people: “katze why are you townreading vul”

because you stubborn nerds (read: @Marshal) keep reading vulgard with the same nuance you used to read him every game before this

if you actually read his damn posts beyond “dis post wuz not witten by a willager UwU” then maybe you can see that there’s an actual villagery thought process behind the posts

do i think he’s lock V? no, it’s never been more than a lean, and chloe is correct with “if i applied strictly meta then he’s a wolf” read

but that’s boring

meta is boring

you’re boring

mindmelds are kinda cute

@katze

ybw/eli is a slot i’m strongly considering yeeting to the sun but marshals posts regarding their mindset being consistent through games did actually add up with what i remember of them in jojos, dont remember them in countries at all but iirc they died to town KP who was also eevee so they were prob p willager there?

if i ever actually finish reading vulgards ISO i’d consider that slot because sulit is like “night bad!!!”

Summary

despite the fact that i think both heads of ghana/min are >rand V from what ive heard of min/seen of ghana

i wouldn’t mind yeeting it to the sun for qol reasons

@katze

im honestly in awe at this transparency

that’s not a joke i cant believe i never explained it

out of pettiness i kind of want to just say “eph v” all game and never explain it now

@Chloe

im leaning v atm, but it aint strong, because i have no real meta crutch, and from my understanding they’re a good wolf

if anyone has experience with them i’d like to know if they’re in their wolfrange

i think the devils-advocate attidude and trying to get thread to focus on things outside of the main topic is a good look
thought process feels free-flowy and genuine
dont see real signs of agenda

just kinda
looks and smells like a villager

can i just say this is like 65% of it since we’re the same person or are you going to bitch at me because “this doesn’t help me solve your alignment katto what the fuck fucko”

at least 15% of it was me thinking they were ephemera at first

but after i remembered they’re two different people i still stood by the read so

@katze

the first one that comes to mind is manti in the hydra mash except he was a wolf

lol

@katze

some parts of the scrapped wallpost i was writing and gave up on if you want a lot of words

i skimmed vulretes ISO in the hydra mash before rereading this because it’s the last towngame of his that i know of? too lazy to skim countries as of right now, might change my mind on that later depending on read confidence/liklihood of them dying today (like, if i end at a weakish townread and hes prob dying today, i’d look at that too, if WiM allowed it )

right off the bat i think his treatment of chloe (and the people pushing her) is genrally ~fine? given i’m pretty fucking confident chloe is currently a villager, there’s a few ways to intrepet his actions here

11. W!Vulgard knows that V!Chloe will eventually reveal as an innocent child, defends her for towncred and gamerpoints, etc
12. (>rand V!) Vulgard just doesn’t think Chloe is a wolf at this stage of the game and is attempting to figure out what people are seeing because he doesn’t see it, or just thinks the pushes are an overreaction for things that aren’t generally that AI
13. im wrong about everything and Chloe is a wolf and idk what that means for vulgards alignment because this world is mathematically impossible :^)

i think that, regardless of alignment, the stance he has or is feigning having is “i don’t think the pushes on chloe are genuine/logical at this point of the game”, most evident in how he treats Ghana/Marshal in response to the push on Chloe

@Vulgard

Chloe actually feels like threadspewed town unless we’re getting powerwolved into oblivion.

@Vulgard

You guys are waiting for her wallpost and doing nothing until then. People thought she was mafia. Why are you waiting for a wolf’s wall?

context to these points is somewhat important given there’s a mob at vulgards door screaming at him that he is not committing “villagery posting”, because i think with that in mind that this thought is fairly villagery?

so, think of it like this; if vul is a wolf then they immediately aren’t that likely to think about this imo, becuase it’s a weird kind of read that imo isn’t actually correct in a way that a wolf under pressure is likelier to not post it but a villager might believe it at face value

maybe im giving him too much credit for it but i’ve seen wolfgard write way better thoughts than this and same with V!ulgard but like, weh

Summary

@Ephemeral

can we figure out collectively how we feel about marshal’s approach to wazza fellas

because the dude virtually claimed a lack of tmi from their posts based on meta from a game that wasn’t even werewolf to begin with

and like

the more i think about it

it’s uh

???

@Vulgard

I think Marshal’s a wolf so it’s possible you’re just correct.

Not sure how much weight I attribute to that read, honestly.

i like the “i don’t think this is why you’re right, but i think you’re right” approach

easily fakable but it gets a singular joypoint from me

but weak enough that im hiding it in this puny box of sadness

okay my general vibes from vulgards ISO is that i feel like some of their takes are >rand V despite the fact i disagree with them at a fundamental level,

their progression on ghana i think is >rand to be real because i don’t think vul has actually played with ghana and without any knowledge of what the hell they’re doing i think it’s all valid because what even is ghana doing half the time

i’m somewhat worried with the confidence of his read on me, because it feels uncharacteristic of him reading me given i’m pretty sure his track record on me isn’t that great and the post that triggered this unyielding confidence isn’t something that i think is out of my range? and i think he knows that?

their response to pressure this game is something i’ve been going back and forth internally about because i think it’s good that they don’t really seem phased by it, but if they expect to go over early, they probably aren’t going to falter at pressure anyway?

that above paragraph is amplified by the fact that night is like, apparently being pretty cringe in other thread when i just witnessed her being a glaring villager in our last game together to insane levels

it really concerns me a lot actually because they could give zero fucks because they’re uninvested in a game they aren’t going to live long in no matter what they do

Summary

@Vulgard

I’d just like to point out that in hydra mash I had a 100% pure towncore.

@Vulgard

Same thing in anni.

i think posts like this are inherently >rand V though

dumb read

insert pronoun >rand v read here

their progression on ephe is weird but i think in a villagery way as i kinda feel their read on them weakening as the game progresses

which makes sense given they turn their read on marshal around and would be paranoid of having so many V reads already

weh, all of this could just be irrelevant if i say “well if i metaread vulgard he’s just a wolf ”

i think all in all vulgard has villagery things but nightingale is a wildly large source of paranoia for the slot and i’d honestly be happier if i could read her posts over vulgards and decide how much i want the slot to live/die today on that

this was way longer than it was supposed to be what the fuck lol

aside from soulread shit:
I read this entire thing overnight (tbh i shoulda read it at EoD like a good person but weh)
and i found myself in agreement with p much everything he said too

@katze

@Wazza

“What if the scum in our thread is just…barely paying attention and didn’t realise about how bad of a kill that would be.”

to be frank if the scum are in the players not paying attention then you’d probably fit that criteria as well

@katze

but also if the scum aren’t paying attention i feel like the “this is a good nightkill that doesnt require that much thought” kill is just chloe or maybe me?

maybe blizer makes sense depending on their thread A presence but sulit said they were kinda townread without that much presence

weh

@katze

i can say with confidence that this likely wouldn’t apply to me

but that might be a katze thing

@Wazza

Why would the scum allow us to have a flip because for all we know a kill could’ve been a Town Vig at one point and then we wouldn’t know a mafia that flips and get confused

because the kill is mandatory meaning it’s >>>rand that marshal is just town

so my counterpoint is “why would wolves split the kills and make an IC”

@katze

low level take

wazza/manti not w/w

@katze

my current thoughts are that i don’t feel strongly about any specific partner for wazza if he flips W

melds are cute once again

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anyways ye these are ‘ok cool kat is v’ posts
theres also the general vibe but you cant really explain a vibe

this should be sufficient
bc idk how to expand beyond this lmao

[Chloe]

is it kat’s turn

[TrustworthyLiberal]

I am reading da wall slowly

[Arete]

Thread B Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
YouButWorse	Wazza	1
Wazza	GGhana, Chloe, katze	3
Ephemeral	Marshal	1

Ping me for errors

[Chloe]

i do find it weird that youre interested in why i clear kat but not why kat clears me

idk how to feel about it

[TrustworthyLiberal]

Cause i have a stronger read on you then i do on katze

[katze]

okay but

1. why didnt you say that before
2. you’ve shown concern towards chloe and no thought towards me
3. banana

[Chloe]

in which way though

like
if you think im more likely to be scum wouldnt you want kat to explain why im not

[TrustworthyLiberal]

Chloe all i will say is remember what i told you in Jojo’s about my read on arete.
That should explain my thoughts at this time.

[Chloe]

furiously backreads neighborhood chat

[TrustworthyLiberal]

I have reasonings and i like being able to talk to someone i know the alignment of Kyo but i can’t atleast right now most likely not till i wake up in the morning as its late for them.

[katze]

ill let chloe decide how much i hate this answer

[Chloe]

my response is exactly:

weh

[Chloe]

i think its fair to let TL talk to kyo or whatever the hell

but i think theyre treating my slot really weirdly and not expressing any of the same sentiment about you

i literally dont know how to analyze what the hell TL is saying outside of “paranoia”

[Chloe]

but if youre paranoid you dont ask the person youre paranoid about why theyre reading their sister as town!

you ask the sister why the person you’re paranoid about is town to quell the paranoia!

aaaaaaaa

i dont
brain

idgi

[TrustworthyLiberal]