New Role Ninja/Deceiver

Class/Lore/Fanfic
#1
Ninja

Investigative Blue Dragon

Passive 1:
Ninja Steps - Your visits will be hidden at night.

Passive 2:
Smoke Bomb - Immune to Occupation and Target Changing

Night Ability 1:
Night Watch - See who the unseen/cult visit tonight(2 uses)
note mm does not count as visiting in the last patch, so you will not be able to see converts

Night Ability 2:
Scope - Select a player, you will be told what classes visited that player last night.(4 uses)

^if you scoped 12, and 15 (a sheriff) and 13( an assassin) visited him. you will be told “12 was Visited by an assassin and a sheriff”

Deceiver

Converted from the Ninja

Passive 1
Smoke Bomb - Immune to Occupation and Target Changing

Night Ability 1:
Converted? - Make a player look like they where converted, they will look like unseen to sheriffs, or if they had a scout on look converted.(2 uses)
Night Ability 2:
Lure - Select a player, everyone who targeted that player, except unseen will be re-targeted to you, you will be immune to death for that night(1 use)

#2

What

#3

Ninja as BD investigative!?
Talking about unusual suggestions.
But back to the topic, it’s a ToL version of spy from ToS.
I like a concept but i think this class is missing.

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#4

Thanks for the feedback, this is my first suggestion on the throne of lies forum, and I will take what you put on board to try and make a better class.Once again thanks!

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#5

Its to OP. Reason is it will use Night watch N1 and see who the unseen/cult tried to convert. Meaning basically you get a free unseen/cult kill…

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#6

Well.

just as a criticism, the fact the ninja would lose his Ninja Steps passive, when converted to the unseen is dead give away, and its not needed.

Obs - Why you don’t visit anyone.
me - ah, I’m an ninja dude, I don’t visit people

later
Obs _ why did you visit x, you are not supposed to be a ninja
me - Heum, wait, I can explain, you see
Obs — hey everyone, I can see his visits, he’s converted.

Also, very op. you will see who the unseen visit, which, mean, that night 1, you could guess converted unseen with no effort, this would prevent the unseen from converting anyone. its even worst then sheriff scout, which is already op.

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#7

The Immune to occupation/Redirection would be a good claim for evils who are immune.

#8

There is one you’re missing buddy:
From latest patch MM and CL are NOT visiting people, while converting someone.

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#9

Perhaps it would be better to see who non-mm visited meaning you wouldn’t know who was converted, would that be better or would it still need a nerf?

#10

actually, they are not visiting person for a wisping princess if they convert her, but if they fail their convert. which can happen, they will appear as a visitor. This is fix to the princess abilitity, as she would have outted the one who converted her and herself.

If an observer follow the cult when he convert someone, he will see the cult leader visiting that person.
To my opinion, your abilities are more like the observer then the princess’s.

#11

What does the player you select matter for?

#12

They AREN’T visiting while converting anymore, even if it would fail their visit is hidden. You can test it out if you don’t believe me.

#13

If you are bleeding as hunter has sent a wolf on you, you could use this on someone who claims poisoned so the physician would be redirected on you. If knight is on prince you could redirect knight onto you so unseen could get a kill, or to make sure you get a safe conversion. I should say it is everyone that targeted that player not everyone in game

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#14

I tested it on a cult leader converting a noble into an apostle.
the visit is hidden from the princess. but I don’t think its hidden from observer.

Also, I already tested a fail convert on a princess, which showed both the CW and the mm as visitors.

#15

Yup I agree

#16

Spy is OP in Town of Salem because it very quickly confirms people as Not Evil.

The conversion mechanic assuages this a little but conversion is slow - too may people will be confirmed Not Evil too quickly.

#17

In an Unseen game it’s actually a max of 1 player per night. The other one is dead

#18

Why don’t you try to make a neutral killer who can frame people. It would cause chaos.