[NFoL] Newbie Forum of Lies 3 - The Blue Dragon Are Victorious!

[sulit]

oh
I knew that pff

[Gikkle]

@eevee-sama

And learn one thing - ASKING ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC CLASS IS NOT ROLEFISHING.

Rolefishing is when you try to fish a role, not knowing it. Not the other way around.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Claim_Fishing

You are trying to get a role claim from me. You are rolefishing.

[Gikkle]

Hmmm. What was a bit strange to me as well. He seems to fit the role of the “active, but not too active scum”, where he was active enough and contributed enough to be town read by some earlier, but at the same time isn’t super helpful or otherwise townie. Maybe I’m just remembering his posts wrong though.

I could lynch there. Still don’t trust priestess, and I feel like I’m just going to get killed/converted to be silenced like mathblade, but I suppose priestess has tried to be helpful a bit by sharing who they would want to lynxh. Idk. I would still rather lynch there. But I’m open to lynching What for now.

[anon97870008]

@Gikkle

Idk. I would still rather lynch there.

You mean me?

[Gikkle]

Yes. Something still seems off about you, and I still think you have a good chance of flipping scum, but you have shared your thoughts and tried to be helpful, so I’m also willing to lynch What, but you are still my preferred lynch.

[anon97870008]

Fair enough. I still like your reasoning.

[DatBird]

@What

I have a scum read on sulit and Gikkle, I don’t like their blatant buddying.

@What quick thing does this buddying feel whiteknighty to you? Does it feel like one is trying to pocket the other? Or does it feel like two scum buddies in general together?

@LadyThamasa

Shouldn’t there have been 2 night kills last night?

Thread flow as from yesterday heavily implies an Unseen game, so either Assassin/NK potentially had their kill stopped one way or the other.

Still as of this moment at this point of thread still unsure if its cult or unseen game. But POE of potential NKs/Assassins/whatever the cult one is named would be rbed people, jailed people, and anyone sus.

@What

@Geyde

/accuse Gikkle
I accuse Gikkle of being a threat to our Kingdom!

I’m going to start putting pressure on @Gikkle.
I doubt I’m going to unvote unless you guys get better reads.

The thing is though I cannot see how sulit would townread gikkle. There’s not much to read. It would have to be mostly gut feeling, because my read on Gikkle was null then turned scum when they both townread each other.

I know you are new but this is like one of the weirdest ways I have seen to start pushing on someone

@sulit

1. WazzaAzza / Frostwolf103 (VET) - null
2. Cheeki - scumlean
3. Sulit
4. Possessed - null
5. Fireslol - null/scumlean
6. James - null/scumlean
7. LadyThamasa - townread
8. What - townlean
9. Gikkle - townlean
10. Eevee (VET) - null
11. MrEevee7 - null
12. Andrej - null/scumlean
13. Marcus_Doodalee (VET) - just isoed him, liked a lot of his posts and attitude, seems cool, light TL
14. BlueStorm (VET) - light townlean
15. Priestess (VET) - scumlean

Don’t really like cheeki their posts yesterday hit me the wrong way and although I remember them posting don’t really remember anything about em. Kinda slid into the unnoticed background, which is where I look for scum.

Andrej didn’t go anything productive yesterday but posted some. Kinda just sat there and didn’t do any game solving.

A lot of priestess’s posts yesterday pinged me and I remember them lightly defending andrej yesterday.

James is this post

James:

I could be Prince.)

Along with one or two he made before that

Fireslol this post

fireslol:

By the way, for every single person who wants to read me as scum because I’m not wolf hunting, I never wolf hunt. At least not yet.

There we go

Frost wolf have you read the thread yet?

Reads yes someones reads to analyze. So first Wazza/Frost as of right now in the thread Frost hasnt done much, but Wazza is easy to tell by his tone and Math picked up on this thats why he TRed Wazza. Interesting Cheeki read, I also want to see more from them. Interesting you put Fireslol here, I get it you may not know their meta but so far they seem to be villagery af from their past few games. Overall TRing you and agree with most of these so far. A lot of nulls but theres only been 425 posts so far so I can see why.

@MrEevee7

I doubt gikkle and sulit buddy eachother like that if they are w/w

bingo, they wouldn’t

@Marcus_Doodalee

The kill on mathblade was probably an S.P.K (Strong Player Kill) so I think if the kill was from unseen that there is at least one vet in the team, could also see it being the NK too.

Why Unseen? Theres been nothing to confirm it one way

@Marcus_Doodalee

That being said something does seem a little off about gikkle but I don’t know what it is yet
/vote gikkle

can you elaborate this is just an out of no where vote

@Marcus_Doodalee

I assume there’s at least two probably three wolves in the scum faction today :^)

Well yeah converts happen

@Cheeki

I have my own personal indirect lead on gikkle, that combined with the strange behaviour earns my vote.

/vote Gikkle

Cheeki tell me more about this lead

@Cheeki

I have my own partial lead which I intend to follow up on by hearing Gikkle’s logs and night actions.

uhhhh get to it

@fireslol

Just to put it out that I was prevented from visitng sulit btw.

Poe for you then

@Marcus_Doodalee

well the good news is I don’t see fireslol ever saying this as a killer scum that failed a nightkill so thats nice.

True good point, that would be disastourous to say as scum. Back to being BD for posting

@fireslol

I also want to try scumreading, buttt, I’m still a newbie. I’ll just watch and try to bring up points every once in awhile.

GO for it my dude you got this

@sulit

Gikkle is a pretty cool BD dude because he has the same attitude he does in his town games (jokey and solvey)

Now we have meta to use ty.

@fireslol

Uh, uh, uh.
I just got back online to see this so
I don’t like the king. I know they’re new but, rping doesn’t do much. Like, it feels like me in my scum games where I just fluff post supremely to get towncred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQRW0RM4V0k
keep doing it, keep pushing

@James

/vote Cheeki
Banana.

@James can you explain yourself. I want reasons

@anon97870008

Good, let’s start here.

One note beforehand: Something in the thread climate is really wrong, when I am almost the only person who’s scumread. I tried to figure out, why it is so. My conclusion was: either the real wolves are lurking, or Lady Tham is a powerwolf.

@LadyThamasa I want from you the whole reasoning why you are voting me.

The vote from MrEevee is 1. sheepish and 2. OMGUS. I cannot really see that this comes from a town.
@MrEevee7 I want to know from you 1. who is your greatest scumread beyond me, and 2. what is your opinion and Lady Tham.

Good Moves Joker keep it up, Heres another TR

@LadyThamasa

Villagers

• Fireslol - Actually posting, so V. Also I doubt a wolf would out that their ability failed as he did early in the thread.
• What - For a newbie he’s actively trying to solve and his confidence level implies that he’s also likely V. Also being shaded by Priestess makes me doubt this is a wolf with her.
• Andrej - Likely GK for reasons I said above. Directly ppealing to probability would mean that he’s not relying on current experiences ergo he has no knowledge of the wolf faction, which points to GK.
• Sulit - Posts flow well regarding the thread. The mutual village read between them and Gikkle could be based a lot on meta being that both players are from the same site, which is why I don’t think the read is wolfy.
• MrEevee7 - Another played shaded by Priestess who’s also been relatively solvey.

Null

• BlueStorm - Inquisitive nature if a lot of their posts weren’t really AI that much. So far I’d shelf this as a nullish village read.
• Gikkle - I frankly dislike the CW forming on him, so blame preflip associatives.
• Frostwolf103 - Mostly mechanical fluff, albeit he seems to be trying to solve. Wazza’s not caring attitude makes me believe this is likely V, though.
• Possessed - Two posts only, but I do like his inquisitive nature.
• Eevee - Three posts, none of which are memorable.
• Marcus_Doodalee - Vote on Gikkle looks terrible in general. Only thing preventing him from going into the wolf category is that his d1 fit in well with the thread flow.

Wolves

• Cheeki - Another player on a CW that was also trying to rolefish Gikkle for some reason or another. Posting in general feels relatively off-ish.
• James - Posts have been frequently off-topic and upon suspicion fell on him he immeidately softed a PR trying to shield himself from it. The off-wagon vote implies that he may be a potential wolfmate with Priestess.
• Priestess - Strongest wolfread right now over claiming to potentially know what wolf faction we have then going back on it. Later on began shading people for weak reasons non-stop and then began d2 calling any red checks on her fake. Additionally misrepresented the gamestate to make it seem like she’s the top wagon despite having a large CW on Gikkle. Finally, the n1 Night Kill had her as his only wolfread.

1. Fireslol is obv
2. Im nott getting that from What at all.
3. Yes Fluff is towny. What no
4. Sulits made good points so prob towny
5. Not my favorite, their push feels really weak
6. Agree on the null, not much to work with
7. You dislike CWs. What? Him and Sulit are pretty obv town
   8.Wazza = town, Frost = Town
8. Agree
9. Agree
10. Agree
    12.Agree
11. Jame is always off topic, but I see some trying today in later posts so hes prob town
12. Nah this is easily top tr. To similiar to their other town games

@Frostwolf103

Not really, I have a lead who Math’s killer is. But as my deduction stands there might be two killers attempting to attack, one is definitely VET.

ooh intersting

@sulit

Do you guys want to hear my crazy theory tm
What I’m thinking is that I might have blockethed the cult/unseen recruit or second kill

Of course there’s no mechanical evidence of this and because of all the crazy roles in his game it’s probably one of many theory’s

But I’m putting it on the idea board

Ok and Fireslol said he was blocked to visit you.I dont think Fireslol is evil atm is there someone else.

@eevee-sama

Why are you suggesting Math kill is from Unseen?
It could be NK.
Do you have some inside info?

Exactly

@eevee-sama

Seriously speaking, this discussion is too much narrowed on one path for it to be done it naturaly.
Like you are talking only about Unseen, even tho it could be Cult, it could be NK kill etc.

Either some invest knows something and narrowed it down for us quietly to help or some scum, knowing what really happened, unwillingly pushed discussion in that direction.

^^^^^^^^^

@LadyThamasa

Because Math being a SPK is something only the veterans would know, so there must be a Veteran in the MM/Assassin/NK.

Why couldnt the killer just go for anyone they thought was overly towny or had the Vet next to their name on the top

@Andrej

/vote gikkle

ok king, have you read one, and two no explanation why?

@Andrej

no

Well think we found EK my dudes

@Andrej

i was just reading messages and from what people have been saying gikkle seems to be evil

but do you think their scum?

@Cheeki

that seems like an unfair statement to make. that anybody voting gikkle is not BD

no its not BD to quick lynch. GOd everything I type out Priestess replies with

@Andrej

i can wait for the night to end

What why?

@eevee-sama

Let’s paint last night.

Hi, my name is eevee and I occupied Frostwolf last night.
Let’s analyse it.

Frostwolf had one big fallacy in today’s posts - pushing for hunting for CONVERT, which assuming he is evil means that there is no convert to begin it from last night.

So let’s analyse few different paintings:

Frost is CL

Being occupied as CL would mean that there is no convert indeed. It would also explain only one kill on n1.
The problem is, it means that Math kill was either lucky newbie or another person, NK is a strong player.

Frost is assassin

That way we have lack of one death explained, as well as knowledge(?) about unseen missing a convert.
But that would mean another strong player, likely VET, possibly Math (since this scenario NK killed Math) was targeted for convert. And that person is either convert immune, protected or… dead.
That also means that another experienced player killed Math.

Experienced player convert immune and experienced player killed Math?

Frost is MM

Would explain kill on Math, wouldn’t explain lack of one kill.
Means that if he directed kill on Math, he would likely convert experienced player as well, so no convert means that experienced player is convert immune / protected.

In this scenario it needs reevalution if we want to pursue convert immunity tommorow, since it could be prince or strong player being protected.

Frost is NK

Explains lack of kill, makes no sense why he wants to hunt only for converts. Doesn’t explain kill on Math, so there might be still one experienced player in the anti-town faction.

===
If I was to say which painting I like most… is the assassin one. Explains pretty much everything and gives us clear direction where to search NK.

If I was to say which is most likely… CL or MM works best. Simply becouse it’s MM who is most likely about redirecting town efforts into searching something which doesn’t exist yet.
Assassin would be more bothered to hide from suspicions of killing Math, not about pointing in wrong direction.
NK makes no sense mentality-wise. NK wants all people dead, not just converts.

Now, that’s my paintings. 4 of them.
Remember Frost might be just town who was occupied at wrong time and there might be tens of other reasons for no kill.
Tho I dislike his posts and fallacy enough to be worth bringing attention to him.

Signed
eevee the master painter.

You get a TR and you get a TR

@Andrej

i’m gonna unvote gikkle and start thinking if i should vote frost

idk an ek prob wouldn’t moove their vote.We will see if he does

@Frostwolf103

One, I haven’t being notified about being occupied

Two, I actually redirected you to Mathblade, makes you more possible being Assassin than anything else.

and the twist of the blade, this iis interesting. Guess this resolves itself

@anon97870008

I was jailed.

oh no have my TRs been wrong

@anon97870008

Because there are, if I see this right, 3 cases:

1. Eevee is Butler and Frostwolf is killer:
   How was Frostwolf knowing that they were attacked? His announcement of a mechanical lead felt genuine.
2. Eevee is killer and Frostwolf is Drunk
   How would Eevee know that they were redirected by Frostwolf?
3. Eevee and Frostwolf targetted each other and both are BD.
   The missing kill has another reason.

No shes good again, guess she was just jailed

@Cheeki

you know what ill out this info here. I am butler and I occupied Gikkle.
that was my ‘lead’ from earlier. that is why i am suspicious of Gikkle.
the missing kill + how Gikkle is acting makes me think Priestess’s 3rd case is true

Ok finnally we get this info, yes. God thats like 4 people getting redirected or occed last night thats crazy. I want to see Gikkles response

@MrEevee7

I also dislike the counterwagon on gikkle because all of the reasons on him are bad.

said right after the occ claim

@anon97870008

We have 4-6 scum + EK right now

What its 2-3, plus maybe EK, plus NK and some crazy neuts

@Cheeki

i just don’t think king is evil

iirc later you poison king, just gonna remember this

@eevee-sama

I would say he is never important with 2 butlers.

pretty much

@anon97870008

Gikkle already said they were unable

did I miss this, ok that makes Cheeki more credible.

@anon97870008

Ohhhh I think I have mistaken someone else for Gikkle! You are right!

oof nm back to waiting

@Cheeki

also what’s the consensus on poisoning the king? we have two butlers and the more days we keep a possible evil king alive, the more it starts to hurt BD

Eks arent really dangerous til late game when votes heavily matter, but if he doesnt start posting good content sure

@Marcus_Doodalee

I did read it.
Why do they both conveniently have red checks on each other this is annoying
Not sure why someone is considering not SvS seeing as both wagons have gotten off the ground, most likely TvS though and Frostwolf’s lead is more specific.

I dont wuite get this, if they are both immune to eachother nothing really happened.

@Gikkle

My action failed. I thought it was a court wizard though tbh.

So it did fail, for real this time, making Cheeki look better. I dont quite get the last bit of this statement. @Gikkle can you explain this

@Andrej

i only have grand trial

Plz dont

@Cheeki

alright king’s acting too weird.
going for le poison

Fir enough use of it. He threatened GT.

@Andrej

shit he’s fool

This is a odd statement after saying he used GT

@Andrej

nope i’m not grand trialing you
gikkle didnt die and i dont know if he’s evil

Thats not how GT works what?

@fireslol

BRUH BRUH bruh bruh bruh

Thats a Bruh moment

@anon97870008

Okay, guys. We really have to decide soon. We only have 8 hours left. Who do we want to lynch. Lynching Gikkle seems for me like a terrible idea, he seems pretty unsuspicious for me, and the main reason to vote him was that he townread his friend. Sounds like a terrible reason for a lynch.
We could of course lynch me, but I don’t recommend that.
Cheeki resolves himself, so that would be a bad lynch.
Sulit - just no reason to lynch him.
Possessed - I’m not sure about him, I would love to hear more from him. But also not a good lynch for today.
Fireslol - Hey, where are you, speak for a bit, I’d love to help you with reading people, I know it’s hard. And whatever you do, don’t hardclaim.
James - Same for you, don’t hardclaim. Seems not like a good lynch for me.
DatBird - I really think his slot is evil, but I’d like to hear something from himself, so I can be sure my suspicion on his slot is not only because of personal bias.
What - Sounds for me like a good lynch, overall scummy play.
Eevee and Frostwolf - I like Frostwolf here, but I know that doesn’t mean much, but also a bad lynch in my opinion. Eevee… I don’t know. It could be good to lynch one of them, since they are kinda in a thunderdome, but it is possible that they are both town, so meh.
MrEevee7 - Either scum or just a scared newbie? I have no idea >.> I wish I would know him better. Or have some reads from you. But I feel like you aren’t very experienced, so I don’t want to pressure you into that.
Andrej - EK, resolves himself from his own.
Marcus - Uhhh no idea at all. Wouldn’t lynch him though.
Bluestorm - Has he done anything to contribute? He has spoken quite a bit, but nothing really contributing, so that would be a nice lynch.

1. agree on Cheeki
2. agree
3. true he needs more but still have another 100 posts so maybe redemption
4. Yes Fireslol become Town leader
5. agree
6. Well heres a boat load of content
7. Considering we have little time left maybe if he didnt start contribbuting more
8. They will be cleared by the end of tonight
9. My gut says town, my brain says town
10. Pretty much
11. Need more from him definately
12. Where oh where is he?

@James

I say we kill king and elect priestess

well hes prob dead if Cheeki is to be beleived, but we will see who steps up.

@sulit

MrEevee7 shying away from the thread after being pressured is extremely weird. Usually he’s pretty active, although he does sheep some and tunnel a bit. I’ve never seen his scumgame but this is unusual. On Hypixel he’s usually one who posts a lot, his last post was about 21 hours ago. Not sure if he’s just scared/not liking the game or if he’s scum.

/unvote

What Priestess said

@sulit

I like to solve using previous interactions, flips, and scums choice of kills, my post analyzing isn’t the greatest, my likeliness on catching scum grows the more flips I can use.

Overall like their reasoning here.

@Possessed

What is actually my highest scumread this game for similar reasons. He pushed the idea that scum would buddy with other scum, specifically targeting one of the two he believed scum (Gikkle). When most people moved away from the idea, he picked another target with pretty scummy behavior (James). Knowing now that James has a unique role, it points to an opportunistic push on What’s end. His adamant pushes followed by his attempts to shy away after majority didn’t buy it read as an attempt to get a bad lynch.

If I were a betting man, I’d bet this is scum. How much time do we have to vote?

Interesting take, I like it. I’ll continue this wagon.
Vote is on What in spirit, but due to that making L-2 and a king I dont trust one hundred percent yet imma wait since he might have a defence
@What you have two hours you are the main wagon, come join us

[DatBird]

finished right before Nintendo E3 hell yeah

[anon97870008]

We are on 5/8, please don’t forget to vote

[anon97870008]

@Gikkle hasn’t voted either. Don’t forget, pls ^^

[Solic]

Accused	Voters	Votes
Gikkle	What, Eevee, Andrej	4/8
Priestess	MrEevee7, Gikkle	2/8
Cheeki	James	1/8
Eevee	Marcus_Doodalee	1/8
What	Possessed, Cheeki, Frostwolf103, Priestess, Sulit	5/8

[Solic]

It’s your favourite revolving door! Replacement time.

@Shurian
@Boss110
@Icibalus

Pro Host Tip: always have 10 replacements on hand

[anon97870008]

@fireslol @James @DatBird @eevee @MrEevee7 @Andrej @Marcus_Doodalee
We are lynching What by BD consensus, 2 hours left, we need 3 more votes or we won’t have any lynch today.

[anon97870008]

Also, check again if you have done your day actions, if you have any.

[sulit]

I don’t like this majority lynch thing. Makes eod so much less dramatic and chaotic ):

[DatBird]

/vote What

[anon97870008]

Hi What. Claim now.

[What]

@What

It seems that Gikkle and sulit had previous experience that I did not know, so my reading is flimsy at best. Multiple players? are defending Gikkle.

But I still want to now the result of Gikkle’s n1 action (success/failed/or slept quietly)
If he can give me that, then I would be pretty happy.

In the mean time.
/unvote Gikkle
/vote James
I may probably vote back to Gikkle if they simply ignore my questioning.

Notes/Reads.
our King seems to be a sheep that does not think much.
Frostwolf has strange but understandable logic of using the assassin to kill the convert.
Cheeki N1 Occupied Gikkle
Eevee N1 Occupied Frostwolf
Sulit claims the potential to have occupied multiple targets n1. (?mercenary?)

~Eevee and Frostwolf are probably not in a S/S situation.
~Cheeki is most likely not in the same evil faction has Gikkle. If Cheeki was converted and Gikkle is scum, Cheeki most likely wouldn’t give his information. If Cheeki was Neutral he would’ve just said nothing. If Cheeki is starting Invoker, then Gikkle is not evil. (So their probably not in the same scum faction)
~I agree with Lady Thamas that James is quite suspicious.
James wants Cheeki dead because of Banana …
~I cannot see how if Lady is NK she would push heavily on Priestess. If Priestess survived an attack. making Lady think Priestess is a MM. How did Priestess survive then? If Lady thinks Priestess is assassin, wouldn’t that be an extremely early play damaging the Unseen? Using ToL logic, I find that NK would rather not have the evil faction die horribly in the starting phase of the game.

I want to one of these people dead for today Gikkle/Lady or Priestess/James/ Our King.
Our King is a Sheep, he could be an evil King hoping for the best, or be a good king hoping for the best… We have multiple occupier claims (Cheeki+Eevee) so the question becomes, should they poison the king?
James
~James just ghosting under the radar most of the game then suddenly votes Cheeki. Cheeki gave his reason that he had a potential mechanical lead on Gikkle, and James just disregards and vote Cheeki up.

I’ll read the Lady/Priestess interaction indepth a bit later. Skimming through it, I boil it down to LadyThamasa thinks Priestess is scum, and Priestess does not like Lady’s intense questioning. Priestess seems openly frustrated towards Lady, and started reading Lady has scum. I think I’m favoring LadyThamas here. (Also LadyThamas somehow knew Priestess was jailed n1, not sure how though)

Meta Question:
Also if we found a Mastermind D2 wouldn’t we want to just keep them jailed so we may execute them D4?

Well I guess this post was completely missed. only 2 hours left so I’m going to hard claim Princess. I pushed on Gikkle because I thought he could be a potential Mastermind or Cult leader.

[anon97870008]

It was not missed.
Hey, do you have logs, “Princess”?

[What]

Yes