NFoL5 (5/16) - Endgame - BD, Merc, and Strigoi win!

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what is RT?

because they revealed their role?

RT = Reaction Test

Itā€™s basically doing an action in order to fish reactions from people that could be alignment indicative

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@katze you have ATNoName and Applesiini reads i disagree with
explain them por favor

my appel read is extremely complicated

atn is kind of just thinking their attitude is villagery although the longer it goes on the less i feel that way (liked it d1, ig)

my relationship status is set at ā€˜complicatedā€™ because I donā€™t want to say it doesnā€™t exist

getting similar vibes here

im trying to find a way to put this into words but the easiest way to say it is ā€œscienceā€

teaching the newbies well I see

youā€™re the one asking me to expand on reads that you think are fake :joy_cat:

I thought it was (and still do think) itā€™s a real read

but I know youā€™re not going to give more

I thought too, day 1. Why do you think so atm ?

brb

I would expect a dragon to write like this xD

and here Iā€™m thinking 900+ posts are a lot xD

Iā€™m sorry but I got lost somewhere. I think PKR and Marshalā€™s discussion on Marl sounds genuine to me, none of them seems to fake their point of view if Iā€™m not wrong.

Marl being excited about being a king makes me excited honestly. Iā€™m even surprised that some of you are actually interested in electing a newbie who might mess things up since they donā€™t know much about the game. But on the second thought, everyone is concerned with conversions so that makes sense.

Honestly, I would love to be a king and that makes me more excited and motivated to play the game. But I would like to know how I can use my abilities, if I become a king, to help the town?

Btw, Iā€™m still getting confused and not being able to refer to my own confusions because I canā€™t really point out what is confusing me in the first place. So, I guess Iā€™ll just give it sometime and hopefully Iā€™d be able to grasp things properly.

Electing a king sounds important, because I see most of the discussion so far was about it, but then again some people seems insignificant about it. I think players who are insignificant, might actually have some towny vibes? Cause, if Iā€™m getting this right? The wolfs or the cult might want to be a king too.

I am not suggesting that I read Marl as a wolf because they want to be king, but I feel like those who does not want power might actually have good people in there.

I have my classes starting in half an hour, so I might not be available for another 2-3 hours.

Oh, Do I have to vote for a different person to be the king, or can I vote myself?

So, the King has several abilities. Pass the Torch is filler, you can ignore it. Every King has it except precisely a Baron ā†’ Unseen King. We are allegedly in a Cult game, so, thatā€™s irrelevant.

Head of State, for a BD King, is strong. It lets you use Counsel and Allies on the same day, and it makes your vote a tiebreaker in ties (this is rare) as well as immune to roleblocking/occupation and redirection. Not showing up to investigative abilities is pretty unimportant for a BD King.

However, for a Cult/Unseen King, this is all significantly stronger. This is because of the Cult Leader/Mastermind passives: (snipped down to just the important part)

This means that a Cult/Unseen King will not appear to visit (making Observer obsolete), be immune to occupation and redirection, (making Butler/Drunk/Knight obsolete), and all of the other benefits Iā€™ll go over will be both given to the Cult/Unseen but also denied from the Blue Dragon ā€“ this in itself is a large deterrent to kinging a suspicious player.

Now, Counsel is a pretty nifty ability. Use it on a player you trust, and they canā€™t be converted for two nights. Conversion protection is rare, and extremely valuable. Especially in a Cult game, since as I outlined earlier, Cult gets hit hard if they miss converts.

Allies is a lot stronger than you think. If you can get a neighborhood with two other BD players, you can get a lot achieved in these chats. Iā€™ve been in a few, myself. An evil king can get use out of this too, but itā€™s significantly better for BD for coordination and cooperation.

Guard! isā€¦ basic protection. Use it like youā€™re a Physician or something. Very strong for BD, less so on evil kings. It being limited uses means itā€™s not objectively an upgrade from every protective, and it being a Cult game means this game is likelier to last a few extra nights, but itā€™s strong protection.

Order Execution is huge. Town KP is very limited here. Hunter is very conditional (bleed less so, but bear very much so), Knight is slow, Prince is once per three nights, Mystic is once and then they dieā€¦ everybody wants this. Denying this from scum is a win on its own, really.

You put this all together, and yeah. King is good shit.

I think this is pretty well outlined above, but TLDR: Yes.

You can vote yourself.

you know i could have probably answered that in like three sentences, i think ive been infected with windward syndrome where i just write wallposts

(if ur reading this i still love u but damn)

Oh, I forgot to mention one other thing.

A lot of abilities cannot target King. Mostly BD ones.

More incentive for scum to get one of their own kinged, more incentive for BD to deny it. Obviously we can just execute during the day, but even if Kings werenā€™t roleblock immune ā€“ we wouldnā€™t be able to target them with conventional means. :joy_cat:


Anyway, if you want to be kinged, I personally have nothing against it.