NFoL5 (5/16) - Endgame - BD, Merc, and Strigoi win!

[EliThePsycho]

i am the botler
N1 - Serve Wine Appelsini
N2 - Serve Wine min
N3 - Party!
these are my relevant actions

[katze]

Hmm.

If you weren’t basically the last to claim, I’d say I find it unlikely you make this claim as specifically Cult (could be NE) since you’d be ‘stealing’ an occupy.

It being the last claim means you could theoretically have ‘stolen’ the occupy from Merc/NE, but…

Hm.

Who Prince?

[Napoleon]

@EliThePsycho

N3 - Party!

why did you party n3

[katze]

D4 shiny button.

[EliThePsycho]

i had an explanation lying around somewhere in my logs

[EliThePsycho]

nevermind i erased that

[katze]

@PokemonKidRyan Is there a reason you haven’t used Icy Veins yet?

[Napoleon]

@katze

With that said, I’d like to present this post to the court. “hcnr” means “hard claim, no rescind” – and it’s Marshal basically trying to fish to see if I’m fakeclaiming or not, since she knows that I really hate hardclaiming a fakeclaim.

i dont believe this clears you

@katze

I’m too lazy to go through why I think Marshal and I aren’t aligned, especially because realistically we’re both good enough wolves and have enough trust in eachother to do just about anything.

can you elaborate please when youre not lazy?

Also might as well tell you why I find your interactions concerning

@katze

good morning forum of lies crew

@marshal can you do me a favor, i feel bad doing it myself

@Marshal

We’re both wolfchat hyperposters, I think they’d at least run it by me
I’d say “i’d tell them to stop it” but I wasn’t there while it was happening

I think kat softed they were gonna do it itt to me if that helps

othewise I don’t know what to say to say we aren’t partnered besides the fact that I think i’ve been extremely obvious town today

@Marshal

@katze

good morning forum of lies crew

@marshal can you do me a favor, i feel bad doing it myself

@katze

also marshal you can ignore the post above, i just realized it wouldn’t work if you did it

I wasn’t sure what they were on about but this is a clear reference to them faking the redcheck (and it not working because i’d already claimed)

So like
This type of theatre would obv have to be preplanned (or at least i’d ask them about it).

kat isn’t the type to lie to wolfpartners and do things without their permission if they tell them not to and I absolutely would tell kat not to fake the redcheck if I knew about it and we were partners

@Marshal

I think kat knows I would have immediately called it out itt if not for that

(and I would have called for hardclaim no rescindo anyways, I know it annoys kat and generally I wouldn’t really push for that but in a newb game I absolutely would because I think FPSing checks is really bad form when people might not know the mechanics fully or how forum mafia operates and I disagree with taking advantage of that)

Marshal pretty much picked up on this immediately and responded to me pretty quickly (I was in thread at the time so I remember this). It’s an eyebrow raiser due to the idea that this type of response requires an increased perception of your posts, katze, possibly due to the interaction being wolf/wolf.

Also in Allies I think Marshal said some weird thing about pretending to townread katze because she didnt want you out that early as a strong player in the case you were BD but that she didn’t actually townread you and this is kind of weird.

[Napoleon]

also you and marshal have been buddy-buddy for a while this game until marshal died

[Napoleon]

@Napoleon

Also in Allies I think Marshal said some weird thing about pretending to townread katze because she didnt want you out that early as a strong player in the case you were BD but that she didn’t actually townread you and this is kind of weird.

Ah yes she said that you could be mafia but they protected you because you are a bad slot to kill and if you were BD it could be really bad

[PokemonKidRyan]

N2 I didn’t use it because idk, I didn’t have any inclination as for who might be attacked.
N3 again, day ended early before I submitted day actions

[ATNoName]

Poor min

[ATNoName]

Occed for the 2 nights in a row.

[ATNoName]

Eli and Min are most likely not starting cults.

[katze]

@Napoleon

i dont believe this clears you

TBH, You probably shouldn’t. It’s easily fakable.

In this case, it’s blatant rolefishing. I don’t think she believed my claim. Which has got me thinking that my N1 result on Oogway might be wrong, somehow. But that’s super super tinfoil. To clarify, “tinfoil” means like… you know how conspiracy theorists are labeled with tinfoil hats? It’s basically that. Idk if I explained that earlier.

@Napoleon

@katze

I’m too lazy to go through why I think Marshal and I aren’t aligned, especially because realistically we’re both good enough wolves and have enough trust in eachother to do just about anything.

can you elaborate please when youre not lazy?

You conveniently quoted one of the things I would cite, actually!

@Napoleon

Marshal pretty much picked up on this immediately and responded to me pretty quickly (I was in thread at the time so I remember this). It’s an eyebrow raiser due to the idea that this type of response requires an increased perception of your posts, katze, possibly due to the interaction being wolf/wolf.

So, here’s the thing.

Me and Marshal know eachother pretty well. We’ve played several games together, we’ve wolfed together twice, we’ve hydraed together twice (those two labels interlap once, ftr), played a team mafia game together, and I was pretty blatantly trying to signal to Marshal that I wanted to do something.

@katze

@marshal can you do me a favor, i feel bad doing it myself

@katze

also marshal you can ignore the post above, i just realized it wouldn’t work if you did it

I don’t think this requires that much perception to pick up on, with this context. Really, I think anyone who knows me well enough can figure out that I wanted to do something fancy.

Consider this from that perspective. I ping her, and then immediately say “nvm this wouldn’t work if you did it”. You know full well that I’m a chronic FPSer, and while it’s completely valid to assume I wouldn’t do something like that in this game (I didn’t really want to. I only did it because of my results.) it’s still… very katze.

The last post you quoted outlines what I’ve said pretty well, I think.

(and I would have called for hardclaim no rescindo anyways, I know it annoys kat and generally I wouldn’t really push for that but in a newb game I absolutely would because I think FPSing checks is really bad form when people might not know the mechanics fully or how forum mafia operates and I disagree with taking advantage of that)

I could argue that, in cases where we’re both wolves together, that I probably wouldn’t fake a check the way I did? I think it’d be a correct argument, honestly. But I don’t know if it’s one worth making, because I don’t think you’ll agree. I could also argue that Marshal would fight me on it. This is like, 100% true, but me actually conceding to that argument is up in the air. Although I think both me and her doing loud fancy plays (her with the Ritualist thing, me with the fake check) is probably super unnecessary given we both know full well we can powerwolf very easily in this playerlist.

Anyway.

@Napoleon

also you and marshal have been buddy-buddy for a while this game until marshal died

I can’t speak for her side of this, obviously. Your reciting of her talking about me in Allies chat is… valid to suspect, honestly. I could probably explain it with "Marshal was feigning having cold feet on killing me, since miskilling katze, one of the strongest players on the playerlist who isn’t really in many people’s PoEs at that time, is much worse than miskilling most other people.

I’d say that her trying to kill me falls directly in the center of this chart, where the Appelsiini one is in the yellow.

Obviously, I doubt anyone would actually use this against her, but if I were to theoretically live the shot and be told that Marshal tried to get me OE’d, I’d have gone off on her.

Anyway, that was a longer tangent than intended.

I, unfortunately, misread Marshal somewhat hard this game. If she’s a starting cultist especially, if she was converted N2 then I don’t feel too bad about it since I did note a small dropoff D3. I consider myself fairly good at reading her, and I let my standards of her expected wolf play drop a decent bit this game since I didn’t think she’d go all in in a newbie game, and I also thought the Ritualist thing on D2 was pretty towny. As well as her handling of it.

The only thing I really remember hard disagreeing with her about was her min read, and you can definitely find records of that in thread if you look hard enough.

Uhhh… This post is getting really long. Let me know if you want me to talk about anything here more, I’ll stop here.

[ATNoName]

Mech POE:

Oogway (I kinda want his reason for mindmelding with Wind, also missing N2)
Nappy (N2 mindmeld with Eli? N3 ???)
PKR (a lot of missed day actions, but whatever. He should explain his night actions tho)
Bluelance (may as well be VT)

King is ignored because I don’t think one can solve the king mechanically.

[ATNoName]

Actually if I were to believe Kat’s claim, Oogway should be mechanically not starting cult.

[katze]

Do you believe my claim?

[PokemonKidRyan]

@ATNoName

PKR (a lot of missed day actions, but whatever. He should explain his night actions tho)

Bruh, one of them makes sense and the other one was a situation out of my control.
My night actions I already explained too.

Also it’s not infinite use anyway so not using it N2 makes sense.

N1 Marl, Marl was townie, Marsh/Nap didn’t say to protect Marl from convert but said to protect each other. So I thought any other convert prevention will not be on Marl

N2, Nap is someone else I high townread, so, yeah.

N3, Marsh was because I trusted their squire claim so wanted them to be able to change classes

[PokemonKidRyan]

@PokemonKidRyan

N2 makes sense.

*D2 EBWOP