NFoL5 (5/16) - Endgame - BD, Merc, and Strigoi win!

Okay!

All actions youā€™ve taken this game so far, go

As the hunter I had taken no actions cause I was confused.
when I became a king I had the allies and then OE, then I had only guarded Marshal.

why didnā€™t you use allies a second time?

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I was bit busy with Uni and I didnā€™t have a chance to when I got back I saw the night started

so you guarded marshal n2?

yes

why would you guard someone who claimed that all visits would be prevented on them by a ritualist?

I simply thought she was town all along, and I did not want to guard someone I donā€™t trust, a reason which stands for why I did not use counsel .

by the way I guarded Marshal n3, I used OE n2

Also, I have not yet understood all of the abilities and how they work, because honestly thereā€™s too many of them. So I donā€™t think I considered much of Marshalā€™s earlier claims/theories on ritualists.

What do you think of the cult hard pushing for you to be king?

You mean Marshal pushing me? I donā€™t know exactly, but at least she gained my trust in the process and I did try to save her. But Iā€™m not sure exactly, she couldnā€™t have guessed that Iā€™d guard her last night.

Did you use your bleed yet?

also who do you think the evils are?

I did not use it that night, as I said I was confused with all the ā€œUse this after this, cannot use it after thatā€ things.

Iā€™m not sure yet honestly, I think I was doubting grey but they turned out to be good, the other person is probably ATN but everyone is calling them prince (?) . I honestly have no strong wolf reads, sorry.

Who do you think is town?

Napoleon, You [as was confirmed from what windward suggested]

oh about that, how come my guard didnā€™t save Marshal?

Apart from those, I think I town read Silvi, but they died too, PKR can be a bit towny too.

ahahaha not anymore!!!11!1!

indeed I wasā€¦

ā€¦and indeed I am.

but my question to you is, are you still a villager? :thinking:

I wasnā€™t converted last night but Iā€™m fine with you guys theorizing over it tbh. Itā€™s plausible, Iā€™ll give you that much.

I really think Marshal was a starting cultist for some reason, but I donā€™t really know why I think that. My immediate gut reaction when Marshal outed that it was a cult game with a ritualist was that Marshal was a ritualist, but I donā€™t have any explanation as to why, and itā€™s a risky play to make as starting cult. But as I said before, risky short-term plays are acceptable in a game with basically unlimited conversions.

Is it more likely sheā€™d bus herself as a convert or bus herself as starting cult, though? I could see it going either way, especially if they did in fact get an N1 convert, because it wouldnā€™t really matter which of the non-CL cultists they bussed.

this is possible

this is part of the reason I was townreading you while scumreading Marshal tbh
I donā€™t think I said much about it but looking at the way Marshal was pushing you and the way you were pushing back read as w!Marshal vs. v!Min so I factored that in when giving my reads.

yeah this is where Iā€™m at for the time being. Iā€™d rather have the CL eliminated today than a convert, though, and I donā€™t particularly think youā€™re starting cult, so Iā€™m gonna look elsewhere.

interesting
Iā€™ll look into that

you too, huh lol

yeah he died N2 and I died N3 lol
(I was prince and cult tried to convert me so I died instead kek)

sorry if this is a dumb question but why are all of these LHF slots? (mine included because pandagod was definitely LHF, change my mind)

valid take, what was the consensus PoE yesterday? I remember Marshal/Nap and Katze all being in the PoE but was there anyone else? Oogway?

canā€™t be a convert target if youā€™re starting cult :^)

oh you did out it, sorry I missed this.
meh

why did you go from not wanting the prince to out, to outing ATN as your check, to openly speculating on who the actual prince is? I still think this is a contradiction in your play.

looks ok to me

oh
hmmm I feel like Iā€™m inclined to believe this but also idk
I canā€™t really setup game but weā€™ve had two ā€œsquiresā€ (one of whom flipped ritualist), two mystic claims, two hunter claims, and now two butler claims?
the occ on Appel existed but itā€™s hard to say whether it belonged to Eli or not.

huh, thatā€™s a bit of a weird look for katze
but Iā€™m biased because Iā€™ve already been scumreading her for two days or something

wait whoā€™s the other occ from? Eli claims to have occā€™d min but I havenā€™t.

oof I didnā€™t even consider that
I still think Marshal was aiming to pocket Yellow more than consult her teammate, unless the cult team is exactly Yellow/Marshal with Napoleon as N1 convert lol

I actually wish it were that easy but itā€™s not lol

hey, Iā€™ve been RBing people (and so has Eli, if he can be believed)
maybe thatā€™s worth looking into actually

I veto kinging you, actually
paranoia that you got converted last night :^) I definitely believe youā€™re starting town but I donā€™t know whether youā€™re still town.

thereā€™s also an outed phys so I donā€™t think bleeding a townie is going to actually kill them unless cult kills the phys first tbh

this is very specifically why I was totally against the Aelin wagon
not to mention, Aelin was guarding my slot so ofc I didnā€™t want her dead lol
it doesnā€™t change the fact that I wanted to CFD to a townie, but I still think cult wanted Aelin out to buy themselves some time.

I did say this from my perspective, I think lol
I thought Aelin likely had two BD targets at that point because I knew myself to be BD and thought Appelsiini was cult who was pushing the merc to get yeeted. But Appel was town so there went that theory lol. I still think cult wanted Aelin out to take away protection from two townies, or at the very least, to take protection off of me because Aelin had put Blue in her PoE but said my slot was almost always town, so she wouldā€™ve been guaranteed to guard me that night.

yeah, this ^ conversion not really an issue as kat said, but killing becomes harder for them (and clearly theyve been having issues killing lol)

think Iā€™m finally caught up on backreading now, thatā€™s enough wallposting from me.

are there any classes potentially in the game that can alter what class is shown on someoneā€™s flip btw? Just want to check.

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physician can exhume a kill target, meaning they can discover which faction killed the dead player

you mean the hunter thing? ATN is fakeclaiming lots of things this game; Iā€™m not putting much stock into what he says right now but heā€™s almost definitely not cult.

wait did I miss this or is this what I get for reading posts in the wrong order? I thought kat claimed her check on ATN.

you mean Marshal wouldnā€™t suggest killing Appel as cult? but she did that lol. Cult will suggest killing anyone who is known to not be cult, and because Appel was the counterwagon to Aelin, that was the most logical kill from any point of view to resolve the wagons (even though Appel was town and Aelin was neutral).

Do you have any thoughts on who could possibly have been converted (meaning that they started as town, but now theyā€™re cult)?