why is there an aelin wagon
the wagons should be between marshall and intensify today
yes because letting it go to RNG is totally towny - thatās definitely a good move my guy
do you scumread me for it?
A motherfucking cat video
Starts off with a decent amount of effort and trying to make herself readable, and the tone feels pretty good throughout
Mixed feelings on this
On one hand
itās individually pretty bad, but it was able to spark lots of discussion and she didnāt try and shade anyone in it or use it as a base to vote anyone else later on, which is a good look
bonk
i was aware of this but still
bonk
Donāt feel like a great amount of anger in this or any attempt to show a great amount of anger
just
mild annoyance, but it feels genuine
This is a good piece of insight that shows sheās actually looking at thread
I do want to know where you stand on sulit atm, Wind, after EoD1 and her low activity today
This feels mildly in bad faith?
its how i played whatever card misc that we played where we made champions
control the narrative and then go āand this is why im rightā
i dont do that in games because i think its really fucking stupid
Worth noting that she didnāt make any real read on Koba from this
just noted it and moved on
I disagree on the cloned part
it feels like itās wacky enough that the exact only two scenarios where he does it is as W/W with you or as town
can follow the thoughts in this, none of these feel like crazy leaps, although i admit i didnt reread the entire 400 post window lol
This is pure LAMIST
Just āiām playing optimally as townā is the tone of the entire paragraph
pfft
headpat
i wanna go back and read windās last towngame
because this sounds bitter beyond imagining
just screeching āDO. BETTER.ā
i think this comes from a towny mindset unless thereās no real reason from it
problem is
i dont super feel like rereading franxx after all of this lol
I feel like this should be AI, but for some reason my brain isnāt thinking about it whatsoever
im not sure what this means
I donāt like this post and I honestly canāt really figure out why
something about it just seems wrong
but when i read it through it just seems a bit more ramble-y than usual
i need healing
ā¦ meh. My problem with this is that I just-
hnnnnnng
i feel like Iām maybe expecting too much out of Wind here? Just
i understand youre trying to have a chill game, babe, but youre doing stuff like this where youre constantly going āyou READ meā and now āIāll make reads laterā and just
internal screaming
what do YOU think about it
now that Marl has flipped town
do you think Esooa/sulit were reading in bad faith? Which interpretation do you think is more correct? I didnāt read that Katastrophe or follow it so shrug
this doesnāt feel right when combined with the earlier bit
you want people to read you but you dont want to put in the effort to be read
and then this doesnāt line up with your actions afterward, which are decent effort and just
headdesk
this lines up with the last bit
sigh
this feels so wrong
this entire ISO is just a mixture of me going āwhy isnt she doing moreā and āam i expecting too much from her?ā
topposter.jpeg
This is tonally and cognitively consistent all the way through, and with what sheās said so far
but the problem is, the entire plan is -EV for town
and im really starting to wonder what the fuck windās plan for this game was
this comes from town more often than scum i feel
but this is like, the first time sheās explicitly stated a read which also makes me want to headdesk
youre doing towny scummy things and scummy towny things, wind
why why why
w h y
I feel like this is a bit too strong and isnāt really reflected in her play
but sheās also stated multiple times sheās just trying to find town
and that is reflected here
so its >rand town but going back to my internal monologue of āwhat the fuckwhat the fuckwhat the fuckWhat The FuckWHAT THE FU-ā
hmm
i was going to say that my issue with this was that she didnt come to a conclusion
but it actually makes a decent amount of sense in the context of eevee.jpeg and what im perceiving to be her attitude towards this game
This hedge doesnāt really feel too great
but I have been deliberately playing incredibly stupidly so I suppose its fair?
not in a slayerās gambit type of way
uh
think whatever you want about this
so this is definitely good at the start but
the end seems a bitā¦ out of place?
and then this is tonally off
im not sure if wind is intentionally trying to interact with me oddly but i wouldnt put it past her
this is a good look with eli flipping town
she has no reason to provide this meta, especially since nobody else was bringing it up
the fact that she also doesnāt condemn or clear him off it whilst bringing it up orā¦ ever use it for cred, as far as I can see, is also a good look
Makes Senseā¢
small reminder that i wasnt actually aware Wiisp was scum for the entirety of D1 of Franxx, so thatās definitely not the best place to read me for bussing meta
overall her interaction with cloned is pretty good but feels slightly condescending
which unfortunately matches up with her tone throughout the game pretty well
not going to quote the entire thing because it would be a lame wall
hm
my main problem with this is that
she hadnt really interacted with koba recently, and i havent seen her interact with nether or pkr recently either
and this goes against what shes been preaching all game
admittedly nether and pkr have both been weird but
this might be stupid but im just gonna say wind prob not w/w with esooa or wazza
this does not make sense
i dont understand this at all
its just
aghhhhhhhhhhhh
it feels like such a sudden jump despite the fact that i didnt even actually make a read on Eli
i just said āhes scum, trust meā a bunch of times
by the way, its both hilarious and terrifying that you guys literally just went āokā and four of you voted him
and she isnt saying why eli is in his wolfrange
headdesk
this is a good, towny tone
but its not Windās tone
like
i enjoy tonereads
but none of this lines up
like
her tone is as straight as a goddamn valknut
headdesks
w.h.a.t.t.h.e.f.u.c.k.
w h a t t h e f u c k
ww hh aa tt tt hh ee ff uu cc kk
headdesk intensifies
I want to see where your towncore is at, because Iāve been noticing a lot of this too
just a bunch of stuff that wolves wouldnt think of doing or saying, but theyre going about things in terrible ways
the rest of this post is entirely condescending and at this point my mood is honestly getting super dragged down by reading this ISO just because everything is so fucking annoying because it feels like every other word is a demonstration of a superiority complex
do you think that this in particular is towny or scummy
whats your read overall on Esooa?
hmph.
my problem with this is that
eevee has in no way towncleared himself
hes done absolutely nothing that is 1) extremely AI, or 2) out of his wolfrange, which is actually decently large when he has high WiM
terrible tone
god i want to shoot this post
especially with her recent interactions with cloned
mood
emotion here is real, much more real than what ive been seeing recently from her
it seems a lot of her headspace is focused around āfuck you, do betterā
im not really sure i understand this
because she literally forgot wazza existed for much of the game, she seems a bit flip-floppy on Koba, and then itās her and I
villagery thought
lines up with progression on marissa
but also tells me she didnt follow through with reading her overnight
but itās also meh because lol!koba
theres no scum motivation to tie wagons
of course, thereās no town motivation either
but i wouldnt say its scummy for wazza OR sulit
this is goodā¢
likeā¦ really good
ayaya
wind how do you stand on your own post here, considering youre scumreading me now too
my posts havent had a wow factor all game
until now, i guess
fuck you for making me do this
i blame you specifically
this is a joke ily
i enjoy living far too much for that tbh tbh
its why i bussed wiisp in franxx - chloe pointed out that we werent pushing on each other hard enough, and i was semi-PoE, so I went āfuck thisā and thunderdomed him
we all know how that turned out
if im a wolf, this play simply Does Not Make Senseā¢
if im a wolf I:
- get a kill on a low activity player who isnt great at reading anyway
- become perpetual PoE
- provide spew on my scummates when i flip
- cant be bussed for towncred because of my PoE status
it just doesnt make sense for me to do this whatsoever
it doesnt make sense as town either but im gonna have to ask you to shutthefuckupaboutthat
the irony
cognitively consistent with earlier posting
however, she said that she wasnt against wagoning him, and i dont really like the fact that she hasnt really taken a super definite stance on him despite her semi-focus on him
this entire interaction with me felt super pure and just finally her starting to chill out
also about the time she started deciding to scumread me but oh well, what am i gonna do, cry about it?
see this is weird for two reasons
- why koba town
please expand on this - i thought you were trying to get townleans and townreads this game specifically
are you saying that youre townreading 11 others players, or?
so where do you stand on this now?
ive decidedly been hard-pushed at this point
you are part of said push
i amā¦ not being defended at all, actually. You were my only defender.
I suppose thatās fair, to a degree
I had you as a townlean although I canāt remember myself if I gave an explanation for it
im pretty sure i said something about liking your reaction to my vote on you but i could be misremembering
perhaps
TL;DR - first off, fuck you, read it
i didnt spend two hours on this for it to get ignored
Wind is a townlean, if i ever go back and read franxx i could probably come closer to a more certain read in either direction
theres a lot she does thats towny, and a lot that she does thats scummy
Overall, the towny bits are more prominent, and theres a few certain pieces that I donāt think wolves really ever think about, and i dont think any of the scummy bits are especially damning
this should definitely be re-evaluated late-game depending on how her tone changes, if it does
but overall her approach is cognitively consistent and most of her thoughts line up
@WindwardAway please read through, i had questions in a few places and would appreciate your answers
again
no scum motivation for tying/untying wagons
i actually semi-townread you for it because you have absolutely no reason to pop in like that and put attention on yourself, especially if you were aware eli was going to flip town
/unvote @katze
Will try and reread Marissa in full when I get the chance
As is Iām just gonna smash my head into a window or something
heās definitely not W/W with me, in which case heās town, which is what I was saying lol. w!Cloned doesnāt push on w!Wind for two days straight. He would probably drop the push on me by now because nobody was even interested in voting me out yesterDay (and tbh Iām still not sure why).
it was partly just me being bitter, actually
and being extremely self-centered which by now you should know is normal
yes because I noticed more than one person going āWind is scum because she isnāt solvingā like halfway into D1. I donāt want to have a meta of solving the game halfway into D1. Iām here to have fun and bust wolves before the end of the game, not pressure myself into solving the game in a single day when I know at least 50% of my reads are wrong in all games on D1 unless I have TMI. This is just based on my personal statistics. I know Iām weak at gutreads and strong at reading later in the game, so I donāt intend to do stupid things and tunnel the wrong players just by confbiasing myself on D1 after someone forces me to make reads and stick with them.
Esooa subbed in after I died, so her understanding of my posts mightāve been a bit different than Marlās or sulitās, who played with me. Sulit only lockwolfed me off of my first post in Sonic and then decided my second post was also wolfy enough that she began tunnelling me for the entire day. I donāt think it was optimal but I guess thatās why Iām not surprised she quickly jumped to a conclusion on my posts here, too. I wasnāt trying to discredit her but point out the flaw in jumping to conclusions too fast, and it came across as a complete discredit and Iām aware of that (not that it hasnāt already been pointed out). Marl is correct in that I was doing the exact same thing here, but Iāve been doing it for a different reason and honestly itās getting tiring being pushed to give reads and solve the game when I just want to relax because I have more stressful things to do irl. Iām not very competitive in forum mafia and I donāt intend to be. Iām not striving to rep the forum for champs or anything; Iām just having fun in my free time. I partly did the āI donāt need to be townreadā gambit in Sonic Heghog because of these reasons, but also because I was a PR (town poisoner) and covering my ass so I wouldnāt get nightkilled, which failed miserably because I got nightkilled N1 lol. Here? Iām just fucking with people and Iām annoyed that everyone expects so much from me when I am literally adjusting my playstyle to the game and so that I can produce the most accurate reads I possibly can. I donāt think jumping at people on D1 in this game wouldāve produced highly accurate reads; I fucked up on voting Eli and I admit that. I didnāt even have strong reasons to scumread him; I just sheeped you because I figured youāre better at reading him than I am, but itās still my fault for placing my vote there and I take responsibility for it.
Because people are going āWind is scum and here is a post that shows Wind is scum, so Wind is even scummierā and itās not leading them to any new conclusions because they are labelling me as scum and then finding evidence for it. Itās what everyone accuses me of doing in all my games, even when Iām town, and I still think town could be doing this but itās just tunnelling.
everyone is expecting too much from me and frankly, i donāt know why.
no itās not, youāre looking at it wrong
itās not -EV for town but town isnāt using their heads to solve, theyāre just looking at one post, calling me scum, and then using all other posts to also call me scum
thatās not solving and the reason I can freely say this is because I AM NOT MAFIA. Therefore I know their āconclusionā is incorrect and that they are clearly not reading my posts to solve me; they are reading my posts to mine for wolfy content.
that was definitely not the first time I stated a read, unless Iām mixing this game up with another (sorry Iām an idiot but Iām multitabling which was probably a bad decision because everyone seems to be angry with me for not having solved this damn game).
whatās going to happen is that Iām going to flip sooner or later, I will flip town, and half the player list is gonna go, āWind was playing extremely anti-town and suboptimally, what the fuck, she should improve her townplayā and yet I will still probably have more accurate reads resulting from my play here than I would from being highly aggressive with solving on D1. It just doesnāt work for me. It works for some people, but not me.
fine, you want a conclusion? eevee is not a wolf, donāt vote him.
not sure what this means but ok
that was a snide remark because everyone else is GTH scumreading me and then confbiasing the hell out of my slot
it was a jab at other players and probably unfair to use my evaluation of you as an example
why is this a good look? I couldāve been whiteknighting him if Iām a wolf.
oops, right
itās a lame wall because clonedās posts and my posts are both lame
but cloned tunnelled me in another game as I recall where I was town and he was town, so if I sound like Iām being condescending thatās why. itās rude and I shouldnāt do it but itās subconscious so unfortunately I do it anyway (sorry, cloned!) because I do think that cloned often brings up good points to think about when heās town, and even when heās completely wrong on his conclusion, his level of analysis still shows that heās putting thought into his reads.
I literally have never been in the thread with Nether and the problem is I donāt want to jump to scumread him for not posting, because I canāt tell if heās a lurking wolf or a town LHF. As for PKR, I absolutely suck at reading him. I find that usually my first thoughts on him are more correct than my later thoughts, and GTH if I had to give a read on him Iād say heās town here, but I donāt actually trust my read because itās not at a high enough level that Iād be confident in it. I did interact briefly with him when he was getting frustrated about being wagoned, and Wazza was also involved in that interaction (if youāre backreading youāll see it). My interaction focus shifted from PKR to Wazza because of Wazzaās responses, however, so thatās probably why thereās a lack of interaction between PKR and me. As for Koba, I donāt like that heās saying he should be obvtown by now, but on the other hand I do think some of his points are good. Itās just that I havenāt seen enough from him to get a solid read, and I think I have too many people in my townreads which is making me extremely suspicious that thereās a powerwolf or deepwolf in there that I mistakenly threw into the town pile. Thatās also partly why Iāve been sticking to the not yeet/yeet categories for the current day, instead of establishing a permanent readlist. Towncore for me still only consists of sulit and cloned, and what irks me about them is that I think both of them are capable of solving the game but theyāre both busy and cloned is way too confbiased on my slot, and consequently is reading everyone else off of preflipping me as wolf. I think teambuilding is a good thing so I canāt fault him for that, but if he has no actual scumreads based on if Iām town, itās very detrimental because his entire worldbuilding will fall apart once I flip.
Thatās dumb, I knew Esooa was in the game and thatās why I realized I missed her in my readlist. I did completely forget that Wazza was in the game, sorry Wazza. I literally copy/pasted the playerlist from the OP and moved the names around to sort them but somehow accidentally deleted Esooa and Wazza.
because Eli can freeze as either alignment
he was within both his town and wolfrange and because he was going to either slank or get replaced I didnāt see much of a way to be able to read him clearly later in the game, unlike with other slots that I didnāt want to touch on D1 even if I thought they were a bit wolfy.
you said āheās scum, trust meā extremely confidently so I assumed you mustāve seen something from him that made you certain heās a wolf, which is also why I didnāt think you were a wolf after he flipped town, because it wouldāve been one of the dumbest agendas ever.
iām just infospewing, Iām not actually trying to make people think Iām town. Iām giving my thought processes so you guys can actually like, follow my reasonings? because youāre all complaining I donāt give reads and when I do I donāt give reasons? I donāt need to explain the inner workings of my brain just to play a game of forum mafia, sheesh.
sulit and cloned
I said this already and Iām saying it again
that hasnāt changed
and yes Iām probably dead wrong on somebody but Iām still going to be condescending because I am pissed off at a bunch of people here. I am very pissed off that someone in my towncore is not even bothering to reevaluate me because he confbiased himself off a very small selection of posts. The only other person to point out this flaw so far has been eevee, and while itās NAI that eevee points it out, especially since eevee has me at a nullread, I think some of eeveeās posts were actually town AI later on.
I donāt like Esooaās pushiness but I gutread her town? My gutreads are 50-50 so this means nothing. Iām between āEsooa is pushing for reads because thatās how she plays as townā and āEsooa is pushing for reads because anyone who doesnāt immediately spit out a read can be agendaād, and anyone who does spit out a read and it turns out to be wrong can also be agendaādā which isā¦ pretty useless tbh.
easy, just let the vig shoot me and then the problem is solved lol.
I donāt think he has high WiM actually. I disagree with point #2 because I remember seeing one post that did not look like it would come from a wolf planning their strategy. Unless youāre saying that eevee just doesnāt plan anything as a wolf and spontaneously does stuff in the thread, in which case then who knows. I have reasons for trusting my own read on eevee, though, so unless i see something that makes me change my mind, Iām sticking with it.
yeah Iām fine with focusing on Wazza because I literally forgot she existed yesterday and that concerns me, because I donāt think I usually forget she exists. I donāt know what to do with Koba but I do want to solve him today. I want people to solve me, and I want people to solve you, but in addition to those 4 I also want to solve Marshal.
yeah I didnāt do shit overnight, I lost the motivation to (and actually I was out the whole day so lol).
thats exactly what I was saying
itās just NAI, I donāt really care who did or didnāt tie the wagons in this case. There wasnāt much of a strong thunderdome so itās not wolfy behavior, nor is it guaranteed to be towny.
Iām actually not, Iām just being dumb and FPSing (but also read stuff immediately after waking up which makes this even dumber). I wouldāve unvoted earlier if youād been too close to a yeet. If itās between you and Marshal I think the wolf is Marshal; Iām just not 100% sure thereās a wolf at all between the two of you.
sorry ily too
as Iāve said earlier in this post, Iāve been wrong on PKR before so Iām considering the chance that Iām wrong and heās a wolf, and should not be defending him because we do want to vote a wolf out.
yeah I was trying to
but I donāt like that my PoE is full of lowposters
yeh i realized this lol and was wondering if it makes me wrong or if it makes everyone else wrong
brb iām gonna go stare at the sun (with eclipse glasses on) and see if i spot the eclipse
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In parts of the world yeah, itās a full āring of fireā eclipse in Greenland but here itās a 27% eclipse
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oh I guess I basically answered everything and like a dumdum I did not spoiler my response (lol)
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fair, I donāt think I have anything else to elaborate on, either right now
will look into some slots tonight when I get home