Opinion Thread: The Fool (ToL)

#161

Depends completely on the neutral, their abilities, their wincon and the character of the player?

#162

Cool Cool, but how does this relate to the Fool, who needs to be lynched to win, and therefore betray pretty much everyone

#163

I think the problem is that orangeandblack is a fool, but doesn’t want to be exed :thinking:
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#164

I choose not to balance for borderline gamethrowing

#165

tf? what is borderline gamethrowing here?

#166

Well, if an evil intentionally acts scummy, then without the proper tools to defeat them, they are basically untouchable.

#167

I read this as “yeah but what if they don’t side with the team that is most likely to secure their victory because of X Y or Z” and that may not be gamethrowing but it damn sure is decreasing your own odds of victory

#168

“decreasing your own odds of victory” is NOT gamethrowing
bad play =/= gamethrowing

gamethrowing is just the intentional attempt to make yourself lose.

#169

Bad play = borderline gamethrowing/appearance of gamethrowing

#170

Bad play = “not optimal play”

Almost everyone does this. Playing not optimally. Balancing for “optimal plays” is wrong, since an optimal play is mostly an illusion. It doesn’t happen in reality, or very rare at least.

#171

Hence the word

“Borderline”

#172

Btw this all doesn’t matter here, since Fools haven’t the choice to side you. Unless you make them Neutral King, of course.

#173

Also there’s a difference between sub-optimal and super-pessimal play

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#174

And equating the two is not the answer

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#175

So they’re definitely not on your side

Noted

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#176

They are definitely not on the side of your enemy. Or your side. Or anyones side.
Fool is True Neutral.

#177

NK is also true neutral, since they are not on anyone’s side

#178

NK is a faction :eyes:

#179

And therefore they are most certainly not advancing your win-condition, and as their win harms your faction, it’s fair to say they are indeed an opposing force

#180

Wait what?