jfc it’s really hard to not vote you after gorta tracked you to night and also you claimed a protective role
Actually yeah
Wolves probably knew the bluff was fake
Look at Zone’s and Night’s flips, they were not only very OP roles but they had more than one ability each
Marl could only ever have been a vig since we only have a single ability
That doesn’t sound like a vig shot lol
I actually forgot that the entire theory on visiting night revolved around scum protecting her lol
Because I’m worried you’re going to vote me over Wind!
You were bled + had a use removed by Zone and you would never bus Night when they were in that position.
You mean when it was mechanically optimal to vote Night out in all cases?
Or just the vig shot
If I wanted to look less mechanically sus, wouldn’t I just claim something else? Afaik there aren’t any type cops alive so I could claim literally anything other than protective and be less questioned.
Brb, lunch
Yeah, the vig shot
I’ve been defending gorta, who would be an easy mislynch if I were scum, all game. If I were a wolf I could’ve easily jumped on their “perspective slip”.
Summary
Anyway
Gorta is Town for voting Zone when wagons were pigeon/Eli
Yeah… you’ll never have much reasons to clear gorta in any game ever.
Having a reason to actually think they’re Town is already rare enough, usually they sit in the PoE in pretty much every game they sign up fo
Aelin:|Voted|Voter|Votes|
| — | — | — |
|pigeon|Eli, min, Silviu, Night, Alice, Luxy, Zone|7/7|I’ll take a look at the progression for each of these votes
I think there’s at least 2 scum here, 3 if gorta’s Town but that’s a big if.We’ll probably have stale wagons again so might as well figure out where to go next after Eli.
While the thread was coasting towards an Eli lynch, I was thinking where to go after that, specifically looking at the Eli wagon, correctly assuming there were at least 2 scum on that wagon. (Although for the wrong reasons :Wowee:)
Summary
Nightingale:eli has
uh
12 posts
i dont exactly agree with what alice is saying about them being actively wolfy here?
i mean im not going to defend them because theyre not like
villagery at all
but
nyeh Nightingale:pigeon this game has literally nothing.
not villagery.
sadge, even. Nightingale:four.
okay uh i dont really have any strong wolfreads
Eli reps early suspicion on Alice and then
votes Emilia with her?
with no explanation of flipping the read or continuity in his thought process?
also like, not explicitly villagery in general/vote EliThePsycho @Aelin @Mistyx
goddammit i almost pinged Alice again Nightingale:i mean
Eli still had an awkward opening
pushed alice then literally sheeped her with no perceived reasoning turn around
im entirely unsure what ths means for their interactions w/r/t eachother but
nya Nightingale:eli when first typing this sentece felt sure of himself, then backtrack in order to not assert himself on something that could be plausibly false
which is why the extra “are” is in therethis is entirely NAI but fun to do a furudo erika impression
Nightingale:pigeon isnt wolfy necessarily
they just
arent giving out villagey vibes?
nya Nightingale:i mean like
im not going to defend pigeon here obviously
but
i dont really see it
nya Nightingale:would vote Eli over Pigeon any day
Nightingale:elis thoughts didnt make that much sense, no narrative
they still dont Nightingale: thepigeonnyc:Something something Emilia Marl Alice town Luxy wolf due to thunderdome
dont think pigeon/luxy are w/w? its a meh reaction to the check, just, dryly accepting it into his reads and trying to robotically work around it
his entire ISO is also sort of dry as a whole?
I’m
suuuuuper wary of the whole 3p “derp” thing because pigeon fake-cased the nightkill in his last wolf game
nya
the slot can probably go Nightingale:i dont think theres any more point discussig eli here
keep moving Nightingale:eli had an awkward entrance
dipped out of thread a lot when pressured
their defence was not really that villagery Nightingale: EliThePsycho:i don’t even know the wagons all i know is that mist thinks pigeon is scummy
like
what??? Nightingale:obv eli isnt like
lock
but i still think theyre the best elim for today
the one time my pet wolfreads actually align with the consensus
probably because wolves are on eli regardless of alignment Nightingale:update
i dont actually have time and need to go now
i agree that pigeon is not villagery though
will be back before EoD to fully eval this Nightingale:/unvote @Aelin
Nightingale: Nightingale:how about
i dont think eli/pigeon are w/w
uh
i sort of like eli’s pigeon case? in a sort of shallow way tho, its just basically my thoughts on pigeon but condensated
its like
fakeable, not hard
but id expect a perspective on a teammate to be skewed Nightingale:eli doesnt always freeze up as wolf but i think a case like their pigeon one is a bit of a good look
Feels like they switched to Pigeon too easily here tbh. Idk, it’s a hard distinction to make since most villagers on this site really aren’t responsible with their votes.
Would take a closer look at them after Eli flips.
Summary
Zone_Q11:What am I even witnessing?
(A vote on Eli because he froze.)
How is this a thing?
(It just is.)
…
*freezes*
Zone_Q11:Hello. I have headache and I skipped ~600 posts because there’s too much to backread, especially when I have headache.
Why are there still people on Eli instead of Emilia?
Zone_Q11:(Oh. That was Alice.)
(Oh. That is a metaread.)@Alice, why are you on Eli instead of Emilia?
Zone_Q11:@Nightingale, why are you on Eli?
Zone_Q11: Luxy:Emilia’s defence of pigeon definitely made some sense to me, I’m happy to back off this for now.
What was even her defense? What could possibly triumph over a day three-way parity cop?
Luxy:Zone randomly coming out of the woodworks to defend Eli is weird
Imagine this:
- Sign up for a game
- Play the game for a couple hours
- Vote the player whose claim seems overpowered
- Be busy with literally anything else IRL for hours
- Return to the game with 600+ new posts and a headache
- See that Emilia is not top wagon, but instead some guy who was apparently voted because of his meta, and people sheeping Alice
Zone_Q11:But we don’t know for certain that Emilia is town. You guys are just enforcing meta to cover up bad play, which is all ‘everyone’ does as of late .
How to read Emilia? Read meta.
How to read Alice? Read meta.
How to read Eli? Read meta.Bruh. Are we playing FM or are we going to live together in the same apartment, because this is basically “getting to know each other’s life, the game” at this point.
Zone_Q11: Luxy:Eli really isn’t being read on meta here, he’s being scumread because he’s doing nothing as I said before
Eh… Eeeh… He is seemingly out of the loop of anything outside his own wagon, so I’d say that’s fair enough.
Zone_Q11:One of the reasons why Eli is being voted is because it is in his scum meta to freeze.
Zone_Q11: Alice: Alice:Either way do you have any SRs outside of Eli?
Also this is something I wanna ask out of everyone here.
Eli’s basically the answer that everyone’s defaulting to and it’s kind of obvious that they’ll die at the EoD, so the game-state’s kind of meh.
Well, I guess I am not part of everyone then. I’d rather still have Emilia over Eli. Maybe Silviu would be an alternative since his answer was shorter and less detailed than Jane’s.
Zone_Q11: Alice:I kinda just wanna hammer Eli as it doesn’t feel like he’s ever thawing out of this and we’re basically just wasting time here, tbfh.
Hi. I see that you get to know how I felt at Paint Your Mafia, so let me use the excuse that people used back then (more or less): “We are waiting for more people to show up and continue the discussion. We can’t end the day yet when we haven’t truly known what everyone thinks.”
Zone_Q11:It is because people aren’t doing anything that I am worried. It looks easy; too easy.
I’d expected more of a fight, but… Eli doesn’t seem to make any hard pushes.IDK if his scumbuddies have given up on him if Eli is scum, but I’d imagine that losing a scumbuddy D1 is something you’d want to prevent from happening as scum.
Zone_Q11:Nyeh… it all sounds too smooth.
Too good to be true. Zone_Q11:Sigh. Well, okay.
I will help you hasten the process.
It doesn’t seem that anyone is exactly in the mood for a Marl or Emilia wagon anyway. Zone_Q11:130 minutes left. Probably enough time to do some groceries.
Anyone else online at the moment? I feel like the thread has become empty.
@Nightingale, why did you vote Eli?
Zone_Q11: EliThePsycho:i don’t even know the wagons all i know is that mist thinks pigeon is scummy
i will ISO him to find out myself
…do wolves really be this derpy?
Zone_Q11: clonedcheese:Currently thought is on eli but done wanna vote at L-2
Why not? Alice already mentioned how Eli is so polarized that his scumbuddies -if he is scum- would either let him die or outright bus him.
Zone_Q11:If we don’t get any new wagons, then we might as well just get Eli over with now.
Zone_Q11: EliThePsycho:CFD to pigeon
…eh, I can live with this.
Zone_Q11:Look, I’m just saying it looks dumb as hell to scumread Alice in the event that Eli flips town. Y’all decided to exe Eli for freezing, but I don’t see how that’s scummy at all.
That, and Eli finally pushed Pigeon.
(It’s about damn time.) Zone_Q11: Aelin:6/7
Hm… Too close for comfort.
/unvote @Aelin
Zone_Q11:Well… I would be lying if I said I don’t feel the same, but unless you have another good CFD target, Eli’s wagon seems to be the only other (managable) CFD alternative.
–actually, I just realized we have 5 mins left, so we probably can’t CFD again.
Zone_Q11:Well, okay.
/vote Pigeon @Aelin
Really don’t know what to makes of Zone’s vote tbh.
@Zone_Q11 why were you so adamant about not lynching Eli and why were you fine with the pigeon wagon?
Aelin:
Voted Voter Votes pigeon Eli, min, Silviu, Night, Alice, Luxy, Zone 7/7 Would probably sort the pigeon wagon like this based on their progression on the vote.
For Eli it’s not really their progression that’s bad (can’t really have bad progression if you never reconsider your reads), it’s everything else.
Zone is essentially a wildcard. I’m waiting for their explanation before deciding on them.
I’ll read people’s ISOs and solidify my opinion on these slots tomorrow, but for now I’d look in Night/Luxy/Zone after the Eli flip.
I noted that Night, Luxy and Zone had the worst progression amongst the pigeon voters. I had no reason to do this as a wolf, since Night was widely townread and Zone wasn’t really being suspected at the time.
Summary
Zone_Q11:D1 was because he showed up near EOD and seemed more promising than Pigeon who was null at the time.
You were already against their lynch before they showed up.
Nightingale:i have enough faith in jane that they can drop a case on someone’s vanity wagon of a wolf partner in a situation where Eli is v likely going over anyways
What does this mean?
Nightingale:random thought says that zone if they legitimately didnt visit anyone is probably villa
Didn’t gorta say they were roleblocked?
Would you lynch Zone over Eli?
We don’t get much from a w!Eli flip, and I also think Zone has wolf equity.
I directly opposed Night’s attempts to get Zone cleared by spreading mechanical misinformation and considered lynching Zone over Eli. As a wolf I would have no reason to claim the roleblock on gorta.
On D3, when the thread was coasting towards an Emilia lynch, I made a big case on Luxy and said I wasn’t confident Emilia was a wolf. As a wolf, I would have no reason to stop the mislynch on Emilia and strongarm a lynch on Luxy instead + make myself look really bad.
Luxy:@Jane aelin says it’s strongmans
I’m Town Redirector
N1 I redirected Eli to gorta
N2 I redirected you to ZoneSo wouldn’t whoever Zone attacked have died? I think a strongman would kill their target even if protected by an elite bodyguard
.+ I had no reason to seemingly thunderdome Luxy as a wolf here when Night was already thunderdomed with Marl.
Sorry this took so long, I took a long break first (and I’m likely taking another one soon).
okay
we need to vote like
in the hour
i’m gonna be going to bed soon
i still think you two should crossvote so i can know whether gorta was town
knowing gorta is town might change my vote
pretty sure EoD is before you wake up
ye
that’s why we need to vote like
now
i think it should be a windy and jane crossvote
but it’s still up to windy
if you think jane is town then vote gorta
I just think it’s gorta for mechanical reasons