brb im gonna nap
Villagers act hypocritical all the time esp on this site.
I admit sheeping Aliceās read, however that only applied for Emiliaās townread. As you already know, I donāt like meta reads at all, but I canāt do much against Emilia when she rescinded her parity cop claim. Everyone said it was normal for her to do that, and pushing it any further would mean that I was tunneling Emilia for no reason.
I disagreed with how people scumread Eli for his meta, but someone else (maybe Jane or min) said that they didnāt only scumread Eli for being frozen, but also because Eli literally does nothing to fight back. Hence why I wanted to hasten the process of his execution by voting him.
It was 3 hours before EOD when Eli finally talks and started a push on Pigeon. I didnāt want to exe Eli as I thought that he could have done more than Pigeon (who was null at the time), so I switched over to Pigeon, and I said that I would go back at Eli D2 if he continues doing nothing, which is what is currently happening.
Then, at SOD2, I saw three votes immediately stack upon Eli, and I didnāt want a quickhammer, so I just waited. After about 12+ hours of waiting, nothing happened and everyone seems deadset on tunneling Eli, which gave me Elf Gold Rush Silviu/Whysper flashbacks, so I started searching for a counterwagon, and came up with gorta after remembering that he had only made quickreads without any actual arguments.
i mean
this particular type of hypocrisy looks like zone doesnt actually think of himself asdoing the things heās calling out
it doesnt look intentional to shade people
not that its villagery but nya
So youāre saying there are no Titans at all?
gutten night
Did somebody act hypocritical here besides zone slightly?
I mean, if somebody is being hypocritical is either that theyāre lying to themselves or theyāre trying to make a story up.
I donāt think so, at least not something I noticed.
tbf this happens a lot more than the second one
regardless of alignment
Not really, people are often hypocritical in the way they apply logic to different situations esp if theyāre biased. Can be easily seen in most ppls moral systems for example.
Idk if I even phrased coherently as I am not english.
Do you espanoles
Wouldnāt be surprised if the teamās basically Eli/Pidgeon/Gorta, tbfh.
Feels easy, but ehā¦
Eliās just frozen. I donāt think any more discussion needs to be done over this unless someone can manage to towncase him as outing scumreads on a consensus wolf is an exercise in futility.
Pidgeon has basically show a complete inability to make reads outside bad mech this match while he was more capable of doing it in Gold Rush and his play in general mirrors more his play in SFoL 67 where instead of trying to read people he immediately went for the King because of bad mech reasons, like he did with my slot/Marl.
Gortaās entire confusion play reminds me of how he did that shit in FAM and got TRād over it and he hasnāt really been bothered to read anyone here so far, and hell, he hasnāt even shown any form of paranoia towards me this entire game while he generally does it every time he villages.
I kinda just wanna hammer Eli as it doesnāt feel like heās ever thawing out of this and weāre basically just wasting time here, tbfh.
Eli popped in like twice and was just whining about being SRād without doing anything.
ATP I think itās just a pretty safe yeet and since people arenāt doing anything, then wellā¦
Honestly, atp Iām kind of okay with killing pidgeon regardless of w/e.
Weh.
/vote thepidgeonnyc @Aelin @Mistyx
Iāll give you another day if there are no vigs for trying, but if you just freeze like this again then yeah.
At least Eli is trying.
Pidgeonā¦ really hasnāt done much and his read on me/Marl were WTF.
Progression here is okay. I think their treatment of Eli/engaging with them despite being frozen is more likely to come from Town Alice? I feel like if they were bussing they wouldnāt really engage with them, but I havenāt read an Alice wolfgame in long time.
Anyway, theyāre supposedly self-resolving so it doesnāt really matter.
Forgot to spoiler the quotes, sorry.
it seems like heās either a heavy hypocrite, or shading others.
Why not both? I donāt see why I canāt be someone with double standards who shades others.
Zone_Q11:Well, I guess I am not part of everyone then. Iād rather still have Emilia over Eli. Maybe Silviu would be an alternative since his answer was shorter and less detailed than Janeās.
Zone hasnāt directly justified his read, all he did was follow Alice and then took it and pretended that it was his own read.
If you ignore meta, then what Emilia did at SOD1 was just scummy. That is my justification.
Meanwhile, I recall Alice starting to reconsider her reads on Emilia:
Luxy:Unfortunately, Emilia is town
Sadly I think that from the way they were insulted by me calling them anti-town makes them town as they wouldnāt be insulted were they wolf, kind of how I townlocked Nightingale in Dragonvale d1.
Zone_Q11:How to read Emilia? Read meta.
The problem with not reading Emilia on meta is because then she becomes ML bait every game they play. She does extremely anti-town shit all the damn time such as claiming fake checks on people or CCāing them in open setups. I want to lynch her this game because of how bad and wolfy a fake d1 parity check is, but eh.
V
Alice
Marl
Nightingale
Zone
Clonedcheese
MinSilviu
Luxy
EmiliaJane
gorta
thepigeonnycEliThePsycho
W
Caveat that if Marlās alive late-game, then just lynch them.
āso no: I didnāt pretend Aliceās reads are my reads. My scumread on Emilia is MY READ.
Yes, I admit it started as a sheep-read, but it ended up becoming my own read.
Itās just that I canāt do anything with only one justification / argument against her, and everyone is literally flocking over to Eli (mainly) because of his meta.
I canāt even turn Emilia into D2ās CW since everyone is still hung up on her meta despite what recently happened in Meowtainado, so I had to settle with gorta since he is in the general POE alongside with me.
Summary
thepigeonnyc:Something something Emilia Marl Alice town Luxy wolf due to thunderdome
pigeon jumping on this is >randwolf
thepigeonnyc:Just gonna sheep this
???
Pigeon - Emilia, Alice, Marl Town, Luxy Wolf
Pigeon - Votes Alice?
That was literally one or two posts after with no progression whatsoever
Why did you sheep cloned
What was his argument?
Why did you have to go look to find the reasoning?
If it was so convincing wouldnāt you just remember it?
Pigeon flipflopping harder than a fish out of water
- EliThePsycho - >randwolf
[Irrelevant]- thepigeonnyc - Slight Scumlean
[Irrelevant]
If my reads are correct then my PoE is very tight already
Eli/Silviu/Zone/pigeon with Emilia maybe depending on what happens as the day progresses.
Is there a misclear? Maybe, Iām definitely not sure on a lot of those slight townleans, but Iāve seen glimpses of Townieness come through so we will see.
Pigeon and Eli can go
I donāt think itās because of yourself as a person.
Itās your play this game, and definitely wouldāve been jumped on if you were on an alt account.
I think the worst look for Eli is he is doing the āWoe is me, everyone thinks im scumā defense instead of actually trying to solve or find an alternative person to lynch
Emiliaās defence of pigeon definitely made some sense to me, Iām happy to back off this for now.
Zone randomly coming out of the woodworks to defend Eli is weird
Not necessarily AI indicative unless Eli flips wolf I think
Eli has been doing nothing and has been doing the āwoe is meā defence which generally comes from wolves.
Heās just given up, and rolled over.
My vote is in spirit on Eli
Iāll put it there when I go to sleep
- EliThePsycho - Wolf
[Irrelevant]- thepigeonnyc - Slight Scumlean, Emilia made sense on them
[Irrelevant]
What
There isnāt even a pigeon wagon to self-pres onto
Half of me just wants to flip him so we can see whether or not Alice is a wolf
This is spicy.
I really donāt have a strong opinion on either I can see both flipping wolf quiet easily. Emiliaās defence of pigeon earlier made sense to me so Iām still leaning Eli
Eli all of a sudden popping up at end of the day to self pres push is vaguely wolfy
Anyway. Iām not preflipping Eli yet so if he does flip town Iāll look back at the main pushers in that case
Fuck it
/vote Pigeon
The progression here is ???
In their readslist, theyāre confident Eli is a wolf, and have pigeon as only a slight wolflean. They give reasons why they want to vote Eli and donāt want to vote Pigeon but when the wagons become tied they suddenly āhave no strong opinion on eitherā and end up voting Eli.
I also donāt get the āfuck itā sentiment from their vote? It was two minutes from EoD with 3/5 wagons on Eli/Pigeon. Their vote didnāt matter and wasnāt some reckless vote that could mess things up. Iād like Luxy to clarify what they meant here.
Oooo, interesting Jane
Summary
What am I even witnessing?
(A vote on Eli because he froze.)
How is this a thing?
(It just is.)
ā¦
*freezes*
Hello. I have headache and I skipped ~600 posts because thereās too much to backread, especially when I have headache.
Why are there still people on Eli instead of Emilia?
(Oh. That was Alice.)
(Oh. That is a metaread.)@Alice, why are you on Eli instead of Emilia?
@Nightingale, why are you on Eli?
Luxy:Emiliaās defence of pigeon definitely made some sense to me, Iām happy to back off this for now.
What was even her defense? What could possibly triumph over a day three-way parity cop?
Luxy:Zone randomly coming out of the woodworks to defend Eli is weird
Imagine this:
- Sign up for a game
- Play the game for a couple hours
- Vote the player whose claim seems overpowered
- Be busy with literally anything else IRL for hours
- Return to the game with 600+ new posts and a headache
- See that Emilia is not top wagon, but instead some guy who was apparently voted because of his meta, and people sheeping Alice
But we donāt know for certain that Emilia is town. You guys are just enforcing meta to cover up bad play, which is all āeveryoneā does as of late .
How to read Emilia? Read meta.
How to read Alice? Read meta.
How to read Eli? Read meta.Bruh. Are we playing FM or are we going to live together in the same apartment, because this is basically āgetting to know each otherās life, the gameā at this point.
Luxy:Eli really isnāt being read on meta here, heās being scumread because heās doing nothing as I said before
Ehā¦ Eeehā¦ He is seemingly out of the loop of anything outside his own wagon, so Iād say thatās fair enough.
One of the reasons why Eli is being voted is because it is in his scum meta to freeze.
Alice: Alice:Either way do you have any SRs outside of Eli?
Also this is something I wanna ask out of everyone here.
Eliās basically the answer that everyoneās defaulting to and itās kind of obvious that theyāll die at the EoD, so the game-stateās kind of meh.
Well, I guess I am not part of everyone then. Iād rather still have Emilia over Eli. Maybe Silviu would be an alternative since his answer was shorter and less detailed than Janeās.
Alice:I kinda just wanna hammer Eli as it doesnāt feel like heās ever thawing out of this and weāre basically just wasting time here, tbfh.
Hi. I see that you get to know how I felt at Paint Your Mafia, so let me use the excuse that people used back then (more or less): āWe are waiting for more people to show up and continue the discussion. We canāt end the day yet when we havenāt truly known what everyone thinks.ā
It is because people arenāt doing anything that I am worried. It looks easy; too easy.
Iād expected more of a fight, butā¦ Eli doesnāt seem to make any hard pushes.IDK if his scumbuddies have given up on him if Eli is scum, but Iād imagine that losing a scumbuddy D1 is something youād want to prevent from happening as scum.
Nyehā¦ it all sounds too smooth.
Too good to be true.
Sigh. Well, okay.
I will help you hasten the process.
It doesnāt seem that anyone is exactly in the mood for a Marl or Emilia wagon anyway.
130 minutes left. Probably enough time to do some groceries.
Anyone else online at the moment? I feel like the thread has become empty.
@Nightingale, why did you vote Eli?
EliThePsycho:i donāt even know the wagons all i know is that mist thinks pigeon is scummy
i will ISO him to find out myself
ā¦do wolves really be this derpy?
clonedcheese:Currently thought is on eli but done wanna vote at L-2
Why not? Alice already mentioned how Eli is so polarized that his scumbuddies -if he is scum- would either let him die or outright bus him.
If we donāt get any new wagons, then we might as well just get Eli over with now.
EliThePsycho:CFD to pigeon
ā¦eh, I can live with this.
Look, Iām just saying it looks dumb as hell to scumread Alice in the event that Eli flips town. Yāall decided to exe Eli for freezing, but I donāt see how thatās scummy at all.
That, and Eli finally pushed Pigeon.
(Itās about damn time.)
Aelin:6/7
Hmā¦ Too close for comfort.
/unvote @Aelin
Wellā¦ I would be lying if I said I donāt feel the same, but unless you have another good CFD target, Eliās wagon seems to be the only other (managable) CFD alternative.
āactually, I just realized we have 5 mins left, so we probably canāt CFD again.
Well, okay.
/vote Pigeon @Aelin
Really donāt know what to makes of Zoneās vote tbh.
@Zone_Q11 why were you so adamant about not lynching Eli and why were you fine with the pigeon wagon?